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Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects?

Listening to some Melvins and I'm just realizing how much I miss some nice squealy feedback on my guitar stuff. There's no way I could crank my amps loud enough to get the right results without getting booted out of my place. With all the wacky emulators out there and fancy digital tricks there MUST be a way to fake this. Any ideas? Cheers.
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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 09:05:27 (permalink)
    I'm a total feedback merchant.

    You can achieve great feedback even at low levels by cranking up your gain and making sure you are playing through your noisiest pickups right into the cabs on your monitors, easily done....(so basically DI into your soundcard and play through GTR5 or TH2)

    My band ZnO is all about feedback and I have no issues with neighbours and they are right next door to my studio.
     
    A feedback emulation wont get you anywhere near The Melvins

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 09:16:39 (permalink)
    Hi, Mark.
     
    And you... mic that or...??? I have managed to get it to squeal like that back when I didn't have to worry about noise but this place really is bad for sound leakage. Like my neighbors could probably hear me fart it's so bad. I'm super pissed about it.
     
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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 09:20:24 (permalink)
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    Hi, Mark.
     
    And you... mic that or...??? I have managed to get it to squeal like that back when I didn't have to worry about noise but this place really is bad for sound leakage. Like my neighbors could probably hear me fart it's so bad. I'm super pissed about it.
     
    OT... You reminded me, I have to download winrar. Been kind of scattered trying to get some stuff together around here. Manage to hurt myself in the process too. D'oh. Cheers.



    Hey Beep!, No need to mic anything if you GAIN THE HELL OUT OF IT and take off any kind of noisegate!! great feedback frun to be had at low levels, increase the top end on the cabs as well to really let the feedback be free (you can always bring it down after the feedback has been recorded)

    Also, you can play with the guitar head resting on the monitor, instant feedback - again achievable at low levels.

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 09:33:20 (permalink)
    Interesting. I'll have to play around with that. I guess my understanding of the interactions involved in feedback are faulty.
     
    And I'm listening to the first track now. Nice! Fits in with my mood today. I had switched over to some Butthole Surfers after the Melvins so this has segued nicely. ;-)
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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 09:36:47 (permalink)
    I need to try this out myself now... you are saying that you can DI into GR5 and create a feedback loop off your monitors?

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 09:38:09 (permalink)
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    I need to try this out myself now... you are saying that you can DI into GR5 and create a feedback loop off your monitors?



    Yep, thats how I use feedback, no need for real amps.

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 09:39:19 (permalink)
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    Interesting. I'll have to play around with that. I guess my understanding of the interactions involved in feedback are faulty.
     
    And I'm listening to the first track now. Nice! Fits in with my mood today. I had switched over to some Butthole Surfers after the Melvins so this has segued nicely. ;-)



    Big Buttholes fan here, and the Melvins, Metz, Nirvana (saw them 6 times back in the day), Albini stuff etc etc etc  NOISETASTIC!!!!

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 09:53:00 (permalink)
    Also, REALLY good for feedback is an electric acoustic wacked through distortion and high gain, the bass rumbles through the body and will feedback like no tomorrow, again works superbly at low levels.

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 10:13:43 (permalink)
    With all the wacky emulators out there and fancy digital tricks there MUST be a way to fake this.

     
    Well, there's the Fender Runaway Feedback pedal.  Never used one, but there are some cool Ebow / attack delay FX to be had with the 100% Wet position.
     
    As much of a pedal freak as I am, there's only so much room on the pedalboard(s).  In a pinch, I use an Electro-Harmonix Freeze or SuperEgo pedal with an Eventide PitchFactor.
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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 10:18:48 (permalink)
    b rock

     
    Electro-Harmonix Freeze




     
    A superb pedal!!!! I have been building some Reaktor FX to try and emulate this, not as good as the real thing but getting pretty close.

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 10:25:22 (permalink)
    b rock
    With all the wacky emulators out there and fancy digital tricks there MUST be a way to fake this.

     
    Well, there's the Fender Runaway Feedback pedal.




    That looks cool. Also led me to find this one...
     
    Boss Feedback/Booster pedal
     
    Neat.
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    A superb pedal!!!! I have been building some Reaktor FX to try and emulate this, not as good as the real thing but getting pretty close.

     
    This one has potential - Freezbee.  A freebie, and the ability to link a MIDI CC message to gating or latching.  It hasn't made it past the to-do list, though.
     
    Electro-Harmonix Freeze ... A superb pedal!!!!

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 10:41:11 (permalink)
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    Also, you can play with the guitar head resting on the monitor, instant feedback - again achievable at low levels.



    Yes! This works really well. I even do it live when going through an FRFR system, like a PA, which isn't really as suited to feedback as a guitar amp.
     
    For leads an E-Bow is a really great little device, although it's not polyphonic. But the Sustainiac is, and it might be the ideal answer for what you want to do.

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 10:47:21 (permalink)
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    Also, you can play with the guitar head resting on the monitor, instant feedback - again achievable at low levels.

     
    An initial pick gesture and the rest is feedback, using nothing but a home made Strat and a 3 watt tube amp:
     
    http://harmoniccycle.com/hc/sounds/mp3/singles/Dunkirk_128k.mp3
     


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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 10:49:39 (permalink)
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    Also, you can play with the guitar head resting on the monitor, instant feedback - again achievable at low levels.



    Yes! This works really well. I even do it live when going through an FRFR system, like a PA, which isn't really as suited to feedback as a guitar amp.
     
    For leads an E-Bow is a really great little device, although it's not polyphonic. But the Sustainiac is, and it might be the ideal answer for what you want to do.





    Cool. I've been getting sucked into the youtube hole of gear goodies again and found this one that seems to be based on a similar premise to that trick of filtering out guitar freqs with a multi band and processing the distortion for each band... except I guess this does it automagically.
     
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvlPNYRh3qg
     
    Not sure if the actual distortion tone is exactly what I'd use but man those full chords sound nice and clear. I really gotta start keeping up on new gear. So much drool worthy stuff... that I can't afford... yet. Cheers.
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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 10:51:40 (permalink)
    Hi, Mike. A small tube amp is on my short list of things to buy. I was thinking a Champ Junior but it's the time of thing I should probably haul my arse to an actual music store to try out.
     
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    Also, you can play with the guitar head resting on the monitor, instant feedback - again achievable at low levels.



    Yes! This works really well. I even do it live when going through an FRFR system, like a PA, which isn't really as suited to feedback as a guitar amp.
     
    For leads an E-Bow is a really great little device, although it's not polyphonic. But the Sustainiac is, and it might be the ideal answer for what you want to do.



    I LOVE my Ebow!!! Its just diamond for screeching feedback based solos with plenty of delay, wah and distortion...I still have the original box with a "how to guide" on cassette of all things!!

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    This thread has made me start a new doom tune! Cheers Beeps! 
     

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 11:02:24 (permalink)
    A good and classic guide to distortion/feedback and cool pedal mayhem by the utterly immense Adrian Belew of King Crimson can be found here.....

    Comes in 3 parts! Enjoy Beeps!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM5qTMXJkT0

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWfxQ4QFM4M

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cr_cB8-NVU

    I personally come from a more noisy post Crimson upbringing such as Sonic Youth, The Jesus and Mary Chain, The Melvins, My Bloody Valentine... (Although I love Crimson - especially the album "Red", its pre grunge class!)
     

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 11:08:50 (permalink)
    I just popped open a new dork metal track I started a few weeks ago before I wore off a chunk of my figure and got sucked into other mayhem. Thought I was going to have to keep writing riffs but I think I've got enough to slice and dice a cool structure as is. Time to hook up the padKontrol and see what kind of mess I can put behind it. Cheers!
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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 11:26:03 (permalink)
    LOL, I store my Ebow in the original box... sadly I don't open those boxes very often... little kids who love to pull "stringy" things like cords and even the tape out of cassettes train you to put stuff away!
     
    I just noticed something weird.. I disconnect things and happen to look up at GR5 and it says 11% CPU... then I look at my CPU monitor and it is 1%... what is up with that?

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 11:31:19 (permalink)
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    LOL, I store my Ebow in the original box... sadly I don't open those boxes very often... little kids who love to pull "stringy" things like cords and even the tape out of cassettes train you to put stuff away!
     
    I just noticed something weird.. I disconnect things and happen to look up at GR5 and it says 11% CPU... then I look at my CPU monitor and it is 1%... what is up with that?


    put GTR Rig in low processing mode......top right hand corner the little "HI" icon, that will rapidly reduce CPU use. 

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    I love this thread! At last a noise thread!!!!!

    Goes to show how versatile Sonar can be.
     

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    I was just curious what the CPU % means on GR5, since it didn't match actual or even close. Is that what it "expects" to require for the loaded settings?

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 11:42:09 (permalink)
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    I was just curious what the CPU % means on GR5, since it didn't match actual or even close. Is that what it "expects" to require for the loaded settings?



    I *think* from my experience, GTR Rig in hi processing mode will start to hog everything else and as you add more and more versions of GTR5 the whole thing starts to swell and balloon and it gets out of control (drop outs, latency, stutters etc)...

    I had this about a year ago after one project had about 30 instances of GTR5 so rather than freezing (which is suicidal in Sonar with GTR5) I found out from NI tech support to do the Low Processing mode..... I have never heard a difference in keeping "HI" unchecked and have been merrily bashing out noise with no latency, dropouts and stutters ever since.

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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 12:11:04 (permalink)
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    I love this thread! At last a noise thread!!!!!

    Goes to show how versatile Sonar can be.
     




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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 12:26:12 (permalink)
    Hey Beep, I don't think it's been mentioned yet, but Softube has a plugin called Acoustic Feedback that's very cool and realistic sounding. Check it out on their site. They have a video so you can hear it.
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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 12:28:06 (permalink)
    markyzno
    Big Buttholes fan here


    Ewwww...
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    Re: Feedback emulation: Uh... does this exist? Any tricks using Producer effects? 2013/12/28 14:57:39 (permalink)
    Leadfoot
    markyzno
    Big Buttholes fan here


    Ewwww...



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