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Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 MB
Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 MB Is there a way to save the midi externally to the project? Am I right that the midi is what made the project get so big so fast?
post edited by gswitz - 2013/12/29 23:40:52
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 00:02:09
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Export the project as a MIDI file. I'm assuming it's a MIDI project done in Sonar.
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 00:03:10
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Very odd. Did you freeze the midi track?
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 05:33:06
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Turn it into a wav and it will become giant. We are only talking mb here. With all the indexing going on etc in a cakewalk project I'm not that surprised. I'd be interested to know what would happen with a 1 hour MIDI clip.
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 05:35:20
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Oh and what would happen if you save it as a bundle, close , open and save as a project again...
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 10:57:13
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I'll try these things. dubdisciple
Very odd. Did you freeze the midi track?
Nope... I didn't freeze the track. 16 MB isn't much, but when the project is 1/2 a MB it Auto-Saves in a second. At 16 MB it's lots of seconds. :-( It isn't that big of a deal. It could be related to the Soft Synth (AD). Basically, it's a 3 hour 8 track project at 24 bit 96. Everything was fine until I decided to augment the kick drum with some AD kick. I used Audio Snap to extract the midi and then channelled the midi to AD. It was at this point that the project size exploded. I was hoping that it was due to the midi file being saved as part of the project rather than in a separate file like the Waves. I don't know tho. This is above my head. I usually have auto-save set to save every 5 changes when working in all audio projects. But now, I've had to turn auto-save way down so it isn't interfering with my work. That's also not that big of a deal. I was really just hoping that if I knew how to do it, I could keep the project size small and have my midi augmentation too. Happy New Year!!
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 11:05:30
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It is probably the AudioSnap markers that inflated the file. If you are through with AudioSnap, you can shrink the project back down by saving it as a bundle.
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 11:23:13
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Interesting, Scook. I deleted the track on which I used AudioSnap trying to remove related issues. I'll try switching to the bundle type and see how that works.
Thanks!!
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 11:46:00
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I don't use autosave, I use CTRL-S (finger save  ). Cheers...
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 16:42:37
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I can't save as bundle because of the Audio Snap stuff. I can't bounce to clip because the clips have been deleted. Hmmm. Not sure how to proceed. I tried the clean audio folder and deleted what it found, but that isn't going to help me much. When I tried bounce to clips on a section of track with no clip in it, it bounced the entire track.
post edited by gswitz - 2013/12/30 17:40:59
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 16:48:55
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IIRC, the bundle save process issues a warning about loosing the audio snap info which is OK (as long as audio snap is no longer needed). It is how to shrink the cwp file. Here is another thread discussing bundles to remove audio snap data
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 17:41:34
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It doesn't let me save as bundle, Scook.
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/30 19:31:33
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> It doesn't let me save as bundle, Scook.
Why - what happens? Crash?
Thanks...
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/31 00:50:40
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I had to do a select all... hit A for audio snap... then hit the disable button.
Despite the fact that I had deleted all clips on which I used audio snap, apparently it was on somewhere. So... taking this action has enabled me to save as a bundle.
It looks like it's going to take hours to save it. I'll check it in the morning.
Thanks for all the help, folks!!
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/31 01:52:54
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Ok. It's fixed now. The bundle is 18 GB. I better delete that before Gobbler gets ahold of it. :-)
Thanks!!
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/31 02:00:32
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So now save that bundle as another project....
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Re: Add a 3 minute midi clip to 3 hour project and project size goes from 1/2 a MB to 16 M
2013/12/31 02:06:53
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Ahead of you Alex. Before saving the bundle, it saved the project file without the audio snap data. All I had to do was close the bundle and open the project. Then Delete the bundle.
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