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Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
I have been trying to use my Alesis DM Lite electronic drum kit with Sonar X1, however the hi-hat pedal trigger does not work with Session Drummer. The DM Lite transmits MIDI note #46 (Bb) for open hi-hat and note #46 with CC#4 for closed hi-hat, but Sonar doesn't seem to have a way of interpreting this controller message. Is there anything I can do? Hope you can help. Thanks, Mike.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 11:10:53
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If you cannot change what notes are sent on the instrument side, create a drum map in SONAR to alter the incoming notes to suit your needs.
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mphmusic
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 12:06:09
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scook If you cannot change what notes are sent on the instrument side, create a drum map in SONAR to alter the incoming notes to suit your needs.
I can't see an option in Sonar's drum map manager to interpret CC#4 controller changes.
post edited by mphmusic - 2013/12/30 12:28:15
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 12:35:43
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No drum maps can't remap controller messages to notes, which is basically what you would need to do. The simplest solution is going to be to get the Alesis controller to send note# 42 for Closed Hat. I would think it can be programmed to do that.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 12:39:40
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brundlefly No drum maps can't remap controller messages to notes, which is basically what you would need to do. The simplest solution is going to be to get the Alesis controller to send note# 42 for Closed Hat. I would think it can be programmed to do that.
The DM Lite is pretty basic in terms of settings, so there is no option to do this from the controller end. I downloaded a demo for Addictive Drums and that interepreted the hi-hat MIDI data just fine, using an Alesis drum map, so why can't Sonar do the same?
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 13:27:21
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What I found is things like Hi Hat and such work fine if you match them with the correct sfx sound files. In Session drummer I loaded the Yamaha Birch kit and it responds to my Yamaha DX drums controller info. But most of the samples are not like this. Sometimes I'll even record the audio output of the brain, after I edit the midi track, as it seems to have the best "natural" drum sound of all. You just have to like the sounds the brain has. But I end up mixing from multiple sources. My go to drum set up has been TTS-1 for Kick Session drummer 3 and the Yamaha Birch kit for the rest. Then I use all sorts of different snares including the DX brain.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 13:38:37
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Cactus Music What I found is things like Hi Hat and such work fine if you match them with the correct sfx sound files. In Session drummer I loaded the Yamaha Birch kit and it responds to my Yamaha DX drums controller info. But most of the samples are not like this. Sometimes I'll even record the audio output of the brain, after I edit the midi track, as it seems to have the best "natural" drum sound of all. You just have to like the sounds the brain has. But I end up mixing from multiple sources. My go to drum set up has been TTS-1 for Kick Session drummer 3 and the Yamaha Birch kit for the rest. Then I use all sorts of different snares including the DX brain.
I'm not sure what you mean. Do you mean sfz sound files in SD3?
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 14:29:19
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Yea, I misread the OP. CC is not going to work for articulating the HiHat. Going to need to send notes to play open or closed.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 15:30:05
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So basically I have to buy Addictive Drums (or upgrade to X3 and get AD with it) to get it to work? Surely as most electronic drum kits use CC#4 for Hi-Hat, you would expect one of the leading DAWs to accommodate them?!
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 16:33:55
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SONAR 8.x is not longer a leading DAW. X3 is the leading DAW. But, seriously, the DAW accommodates controllers; it's the synth that isn't programmed to respond. My take is that Session Drummer was intended to be a basic in-the-box drum synth for use with Step Sequencer, PRV sequencing, keyboard controllers and ubiquitous GM-style drum pattern libraries. In general, I think it's reasonable to assume that anyone shelling out for a virtual kit controller will also be using a higher-end, 3rd-party drum synth (or using the controller's own sound module). Coming from the other side, I'm a little surprised that the DM10 doesn't have a GM-compatible mode that would let it play nice with all the GM-style soft synths and sound modules out there.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 17:58:25
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I have the Alesis DM10 Studio set and the brainbox will not allow me to change the midi notes that the hi-hat uses so I use eDrum MIDI Mapper to remap my Alesis notes, output to a virtual LoopBe1 midi cable and use the virtual midi cable as an input in Sonar. (I also disabled the Alesis as an input in Sonar since the virtual midi cable serves that purpose) This eDrum MIDI Mapper allows me to remap the entire Alesis set to the midi notes I want/need for backwards compatibility to drum tracks that I have recorded in the past with Addictive Drums' early note/articulation keyboard mapping. I don't see any reason why this method would not work for Session Drummer or any other drums soft synth. As a matter of fact, I use this method with Steven Slate Drums sampler as well.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/30 23:24:10
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What I was saying is it's not the Sample player or the DAW, but the sfx samples that seem to contain extra data that responds to things like rim shots, hi hat and ride cymbal bell tones. A lot of the samples are just MP3, Flac or Wave files. You notice in Session drummer that most of the notes play the same 8 sounds loaded into the kit. There is no rim shot etc. But I find using some of the sfx samples yield the extra sounds I'm getting from the brain. Read up on sfx and you'll see what I mean. Session drummer works fine for me IF I use some samples. This is very few of the ones that are in the library with Sonar 8.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/31 06:17:14
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gustabo I have the Alesis DM10 Studio set and the brainbox will not allow me to change the midi notes that the hi-hat uses so I use to remap my Alesis notes, output to a and use the virtual midi cable as an input in Sonar. (I also disabled the Alesis as an input in Sonar since the virtual midi cable serves that purpose) This eDrum MIDI Mapper allows me to remap the entire Alesis set to the midi notes I want/need for backwards compatibility to drum tracks that I have recorded in the past with Addictive Drums' early note/articulation keyboard mapping. I don't see any reason why this method would not work for Session Drummer or any other drums soft synth. As a matter of fact, I use this method with Steven Slate Drums sampler as well.
Thanks for this. Is it easy to set up?
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/31 10:05:37
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Very easy if you take your time. All the work that you're doing is in eDrum MIDI Mapper so you're not messing with your brainbox or Sonar. eDrum MIDI Mapper is donationware which is 100% functional but out of development. I did contact the author and not many people paid for it so I sent him $50 because the program had been a godsend to him. He emailed me back thanking me and let me know that the $50 I had sent him was more than all his previous income from the program before he stopped development. Since the program needs to be running while using Sonar, I asked him about adding a "minimize to tray option" but he said he doesn't know if he even knows where his source code is anymore.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/31 10:13:53
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One thing to keep in mind, since there is no standard for note designations that everyone follows, a C4 in one program may be a C6 in another program. This inconsistency may cause some hair pulling but once you set everything up, save it as a preset in eDrum MIDI Mapper and you're good to go. Using saved presets, you can create and save mapping presets for use with different drum softsynth mappings.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/31 14:01:35
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Thanks gustabo, I'll check it out.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2013/12/31 23:28:39
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Make sure you haven't got the kick and hi-hat pedals reversed. The hi-hat pedal appears to be the standard Alesis momentary contact on/off switch. It shouldn't be sending CC messages. Unlike most Alesis kits, the kick and hi-hat pedals look to be visually identical. If you have the kick pedal(one note, velocity sensitive) connected to the hi-hat port, that would explain open/closed as the same note, combined with data that the brain is most likely misinterpreting. Reading note 46 would make sense, as nothing is triggering the variables that would make it read otherwise. You should be seeing note 46(open), note 44(pedal) if you hit the hi-hat pad as you step on the pedal, and note 42(closed). Your kicks are probably all being triggered at 127 as well. hth
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2014/01/01 06:03:21
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Unless they have been labelled wrongly by Alesis, the pedals are connected correctly. It produces note 44 (pedal) ok but open and closed are note 46 with the cc4 message.
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2014/01/17 13:24:11
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I also have the alesis DM lite and a hi hat issue. I'm using sonar 5 producer an SI-drums everything works well except the hi hat it does open an pedal but not closed ! Really doing my head in! I'm glad I'm not the only one, an hoping that it's easy to resolve. I shall post my issue! Fingers crossed!
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Re: Alesis DM Lite Hi-hat triggering Problems with Session Drummer 3
2015/05/04 16:11:57
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My hihat pedal has a big honking CONTINUOUS label on it but actually it's just a momentary controller. We won't be able to play closed hihats with it, ever.
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