DAW - Desktop vs All in One?

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2014/01/02 09:22:36 (permalink)

DAW - Desktop vs All in One?

Hi Guys, thanks for reading this
 
I'm thinking of getting a new cpu mainly to act as a DAW, with a budget around £1000, and I was wondering what you guys think about the use of decent all in one's as a DAW nowadays vs desktops?
 
I'm thinking of taking the plunge for the new Dell Inspiron 23 all in one:
 
Which has, 12gb RAM, I7-4700mq processor (unfortunately they put in one of the mobile/laptop processors instead of a desktop but the 4700mq still holds it's own/does really well from what I can see in terms of benchmarks, and from this has about 20% or so less power than the modern day desktop processors of say I7-4770), and also a 5400RPM hard drive (I'm gonna get a 7200rpm 1tb external drive if I go for this option.) additionally from the manual online, it looks pretty easy to upgrade the RAM and processor.
 
 
The alternative is a traditional desktop (either HP envy, or Dell XPS or a custom build, either way it'd have 16gb of RAM with an I7-4770(k) processor, and an internal 7200rpm 1 tb drive)
 
 
My question really is, for a guy who uses probably about 10-15 tracks max in a band type setup, with maybe 3-4 vst's (the most draining being BFD3 for drums), is 4gb RAM and a processor power difference of about 20% between the all in one and a decent desktop really gonna have that much of an impact on performance? The reason I like the all in one option is a mixture of portability, space in my flat, and to be honest, it looks freaking cool. Assuming no effect on performance, I'd easily opt for the all in one, but if the all in one will be sluggish and impact on workflow I'm looking at the desktop option.
 
Any thoughts or opinions are welcome :)
 
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    TremoJem
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    Re: DAW - Desktop vs All in One? 2014/01/02 09:52:37 (permalink)
    I was in your shoes, making this very same decision in 2008. I bought the laptop.
     
    I have since decided to upgrade to a desktop.
     
    Jim Roseberry is building my X3D "Pro Studio DAW" as we speak.
     
    Believe it or not, I wish I could afford two of them, as I capture/record in one room and then mix/master in another.
     
    I will use my "all-in-one" laptop from 2008 (which incidentally was supposed to be a screaming machine for that year) to capture/record, as I do not use any or very few plug-ins when I do capture/record, so I should be O.K.
     
    The laptop runs Sonar 7PE, using 4G of RAM, on Win7 Pro at 32Bit. It is a Duo-Core running at 2.6GHz, a T9300 I think.
     
    I would like to install X3D on the laptop, but it falls short of the minimum requirements by just a little bit. If a Cakewalk Administrator would like to chime in, that would be great.
     
    I really urge you to discuss this with Jim Roseberry. Tell Jim what your needs are and Jim can guide you, as I am sure other posters here will guide you, using their own personal experiences, as I am doing now.
     
    My signature has the links for Jim Roseberry...good luck.
     
     

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    Re: DAW - Desktop vs All in One? 2014/01/02 17:41:49 (permalink)
    The "all in one" is in many cases a bad compromise. The one you reference incorporates some of the design decisions mandated for a laptop, without all of the size and portability advantages of a laptop. The relatively low powered CPU  and the slow hard drive are laptop standards where long battery life, heat dissipation and cost are the driving factors. The tiny case provides very limited accommodation to internal modification. Swapping memory and maybe the hard drive (depending on heat dissipation issues) are the only real modifications you can make. You can certainly get more performance from a tower or desktop for an equivalent price, and if a component fails you can probably replace it for an affordable price.
     
    Do you really plan to lug this thing out to record an orchestra in a wilderness area? Most of that kind of field recording is better done on a solid state dedicated recorder, which weighs a few ounces and runs on standard batteries. If you can carry a dozen microphones a mixing console etc. to do real recording out of your home studio but still in a location with electicity, you can throw a mid tower machine and a couple of 24 inch monitors into the van as well. If it takes you more than ten minutes to hook up a desktop computer to a monitor keyboard and mouse at a new site, you are doing something wrong.
     
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    Re: DAW - Desktop vs All in One? 2014/01/03 07:05:36 (permalink)
    The "All in One's" are basically a laptop with a larger monitor built in.  If a Laptop will work for what you want then an all in one will work.  However, there is no room for expansion cards like a desktop has, and even memory, etc expansion will be limited.  If you look at the actual spec's you will see laptop CPU's and video, power supplies (external power supplies), etc.
     
    Personally, I think an all in one is not the way to go.

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    Re: DAW - Desktop vs All in One? 2014/01/03 13:46:52 (permalink)
    If it were me, I'd go the desktop route, without a shadow of a doubt

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    Re: DAW - Desktop vs All in One? 2014/01/04 19:35:52 (permalink)
    i started with a VS-880ex.
    great machine.
     
    then i moved up to the 18 track VS-1880.
     
    another great machine.
     
    a friend has a VS-2480, which was the flagship of the roland all in one series..
     
    a great machine.
     
    but i moved to sonar, and would never ever consider going back.
    the reasons are legion.
     

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    Re: DAW - Desktop vs All in One? 2014/01/04 20:29:06 (permalink)
    All those Dells, HPs, Gateways, etc. are junk.
    Build a nice computer out of quality components or have someone build it for you. 
    The only consumer build that is any good is an Apple. But, then you can't use Sonar.

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    Re: DAW - Desktop vs All in One? 2014/01/05 22:41:53 (permalink)
    timidi
    All those Dells, HPs, Gateways, etc. are junk.
    Build a nice computer out of quality components or have someone build it for you. 
    The only consumer build that is any good is an Apple. But, then you can't use Sonar.


    The Lone Ranger/Cyclop said it best... I tried all sorts of high end consumer desktops and several laps, making Costco miserable with all the returns... finally spent the time to learn everything and buy components which my friend assembled... worked great for several years. I just upgraded it to top of the line 6 core water cooled ssd enhanced monster for $1600, which is just friggen unbelievable...
     
    The pro DAW makers are a great option... Jim is really cool and I'd have been better off letting him do it, if I consider the cost of all the time I spent figuring things out...
     
    By the way, google "Nanoxia deep silence case" where you should house your DAW...  They've revolutionized the case...for folks like us...

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    Re: DAW - Desktop vs All in One? 2014/01/12 10:03:14 (permalink)
    With the laptop you would need a separate USB-audio interface, so it wouldn't be "all-in-one" anyway.
    I'd take the desktop route.

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