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Sonar X3d and Access Virus TI2 Problem

Hoping someone is using X3 successfully with a Virus TI. Here is my issue>>Have not been able to find a way to use the Virus as a multi timbral instrument. Sonar will only allow me track 1 as a midi output to the Virus. On the input side of the midi channel strip I have access to 16 midi channels from the Virus. On the output side of the midi channel strip I have only channel 1.
I've been using Sonar since Sonar 2XL so I think I'm pretty knowledgeable with vst setup, but this one has me scratching my head.
The Virus goes into sequencer mode as it should and the control vst loads up with no problem. Everything works great except that I have only 1 midi output. I can insert multiple midi tracks and still Sonar only gives me one choice on the output rather than 16.
Anyone else ever had this issue?
I'm using windows 7 - 64bit.
 
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Re: Sonar X3d and Access Virus TI2 Problem 2014/01/02 20:22:12 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Schafe 2014/01/05 09:27:52
Fellow TI2 owner here. I don't have X3d, but perhaps I can still help. I am a bit confused on your question. I assume you want to have multiple MIDI channels in Sonar control multiple MIDI inputs on the Virus, right? Why do you want more than one "output?"
 
Let's see if this clears it up. Overall, there are 2 methods to insert the VC (Virus Control).
 
First Way:
1. Turn on the Virus. Wait for the USB-connect sound.
2. Start up Sonar and a new project.
3. Find the Virus TI instrument in the Browser and drag-n-drop into the Track View.
4. On the popup window, select MIDI Source and All Synth Audio Outputs: Stereo.
5. VC should load and initialize.
6. Check the Virus' MIDI track. Note that it's output is Virus-TI 1 (in my case it's 5-Virus-TI 1). This is the ONLY input to VC. No more, no less.  Also note that it's channel (underneath the MIDI FX bin) is "NONE", but it indeed sends MIDI-data to MIDI-channel 1 on the Virus.
7. Now, let's create a new MIDI channel for the VC (the quick-n-easy way). Clone the original Virus MIDI track.
8. Change the new channel's MIDI channel to 2...3...4...etc. Do this with the drop-down menus that are located BELOW the FX bin. Don't worry about setting the Bank and Programs.
9. Set your patches accordingly within VC and play the various MIDI channels. You should experience the multitimbral goodness now.
 
Second Way (But not as efficient, IMO):
1. Create new Audio track.
2. Drop VC into the audio track's FX bin. VC should load and initialize.
3. Create new MIDI channel(s). Set output to Virus TI 1.
4. Change the various MIDI tracks' channels to 1...2...3...4...etc.
 
I say "not as efficient" because if you want more audio channels, assuming you have your VC set up to do more than one, stereo USB-audio channel, then you will have to manually select them as different inputs to the various audio channels that you have set up. A benefit, perhaps, would be to have the same audio inputs to different audio tracks and process the audio streams in different methods, e.g. different FX plugins, and cross fade them around in your mix.
 
Well, I hope that helps!
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Re: Sonar X3d and Access Virus TI2 Problem 2014/01/03 08:38:58 (permalink)
Thanks so much for your very detailed reply 2:43AM. You have solved my problem. I knew there would be someone here in this great Sonar community that is smarter than me and could solve my issue. What I was not aware of is that the midi output channel needs to be set in the track inspector rather than in the console midi channel strip.
You are truly an asset to this forum and the TI2 users.
By the way, the TI2 is one incredible synth. I've owned a Virus B rack, Virus C desktop, Virus Ti1 Polar and now the Virus TI2 desktop. The TI2 is a great improvement over the TI1. Don't understand why everyone on the planet doesn't own one.
Again, thanks a million to 2:43AM.
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Re: Sonar X3d and Access Virus TI2 Problem 2014/01/03 08:54:53 (permalink)
Why would anyone name there product "Virus" ? I don't get it.
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Re: Sonar X3d and Access Virus TI2 Problem 2014/01/03 13:08:09 (permalink)
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Why would anyone name there product "Virus" ? I don't get it.


Don't know the answer to that. But it is one of the bad boys of hardware synths.
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Re: Sonar X3d and Access Virus TI2 Problem 2014/01/03 18:41:24 (permalink)
Sweet......and great that you got it functioning properly.
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Re: Sonar X3d and Access Virus TI2 Problem 2014/01/03 21:59:28 (permalink)
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Thanks so much for your very detailed reply 2:43AM. You have solved my problem. I knew there would be someone here in this great Sonar community that is smarter than me and could solve my issue. What I was not aware of is that the midi output channel needs to be set in the track inspector rather than in the console midi channel strip.
You are truly an asset to this forum and the TI2 users.
By the way, the TI2 is one incredible synth. I've owned a Virus B rack, Virus C desktop, Virus Ti1 Polar and now the Virus TI2 desktop. The TI2 is a great improvement over the TI1. Don't understand why everyone on the planet doesn't own one.
Again, thanks a million to 2:43AM.


Thank you for the kind words, and I'm glad I could help! Hey...hook me up with a "helpful" response.
 
Yes, the TI2 is a great piece of hardware. It is very versatile and it integrates extremely well into the DAW software. Having the three, stereo channels of audio-over-USB is perfect; multitimbralilty (is that even a word?) is effortless and extremely well-integrated, unlike most hardware synths. Only a few out there have truly dedicated outputs per patch in addition to also retaining full effects per patch.  The Virus can generate some awesome sounds, but it does have its limits. For example, I still think Roland's supersaw still sounds a teency-weency bit better than the Virus' hypersaw oscillator type, although with adjustments, they both can sound almost 98% similar. But what the Virus lacks in the slight sonic quality, it more than makes up for it in sheer horsepower. So the hypersaw single oscillator can be unisoned to the extreme, detuned and laid down extra beefy! Another limit is the audio-over-USB headroom. I find that I must bring down the over all level of the oscillators, or the patch volume itself, to keep certain patches from drowning out others if multiple patches are using the same USB-audio channel.
 
Also, Access support is very good. I've sent many emails over to Germany regarding the TI2 and the C. Replies are quick and helpful.
 
Perhaps people shy away from anything hardware because much of the same production value can also be done with in-the-box VST synths. After all, the convenience of any software synth is a number-one factor. Also, the ownership cost is up there; the a new TI2 new is pretty costly.
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Re: Sonar X3d and Access Virus TI2 Problem 2014/01/04 19:24:27 (permalink)
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  The Virus can generate some awesome sounds, but it does have its limits. For example, I still think Roland's supersaw still sounds a teency-weency bit better than the Virus' hypersaw oscillator type, although with adjustments, they both can sound almost 98% similar. But what the Virus lacks in the slight sonic quality, it more than makes up for it in sheer horsepower. So the hypersaw single oscillator can be unisoned to the extreme, detuned and laid down extra beefy! 
 
Perhaps people shy away from anything hardware because much of the same production value can also be done with in-the-box VST synths. After all, the convenience of any software synth is a number-one factor. Also, the ownership cost is up there; the a new TI2 new is pretty costly.

Yeah the supersaw is definately one of the highlites of Rolands massive waveform collection. I have a Fantom X6 that I'm going to route into the Virus to see how the supersaw mixes with the hypersaw. Maybe create a super-hypersaw. I'm sure that my neighbors will love it.


I've been a hardware guy forever and have probably owned 50 or 60 different synths over the past 20 years. Gave up on vst's back in '06 but man they have really improved since then. Sylenth1 continues to blow me away everytime I load it up. Perfect synth for EDM. It used to be that 'I wish I could get my vst's to sound like my hardware synths.' Now sometimes it's 'I wish I could get that kind of sound out of my hardware like I'm getting out of that vst.
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