What Behringer stuff is bad?

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2014/01/06 08:42:05 (permalink)

What Behringer stuff is bad?

So I've heard plenty about Behringer and the facts that 89% of people hate their products. A friend of mine own the motorzied-fader BCF2000, says it does the trick (and he even modded it to slide better). I can say I would NEVER put their products in my audio signal chain, but it leaves me to wonder; with all of their MIDI controllers, mixers, and other products, what of Behringer's products are actually worth the small price?

 
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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/08 19:40:09 (permalink)
    A list of what's good would be shorter. They make an audio interface that's well-regarded, and there's the Truth monitors. I've got a Behringer parametric equalizer that still works just fine after about 4 years on the job. I'd stay away from anything that's got lots of knobs...they're famous for falling off or breaking internally, being soldered directly to the circuit board such that the solder joints bear all the pressure when you work the knobs.


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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/08 21:58:00 (permalink)
    Their hum destroyer HD400 works for me. I wasn't sure at first if it's going to work, but for 30/= it stops the soft computer mouse (and screen update) noise when I put it in between my Quad Capture and the Truth B3031A monitors.
     
    I've also got the B-2 Pro condenser microphone that works well recording acoustic guitar and wind instruments.
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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/09 00:28:00 (permalink)
    Deq2496 is excellent as is the ada8000 for their respective prices of course.
    The X32 mixer was a CES winner this year.

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/09 10:00:37 (permalink)
    Supposedly Behringer's Quality control has gotten better in the last couple years.  I have some of their items that I like, (V-Verb Pro, ADA 8 Channel Preamp, a Headphone amplifier).  I have also used stuff I didn't care for.   If you are interested in a particular item, do some research.  Usually the rule applies, "You get what you pay for" - but there are some good deals to be found.

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/09 10:10:47 (permalink)
    FCB1010 - if you are looking for a fully flexible MIDI floorboard. works nicely but you need to upgrade the EPROM first. then you get a controller that you can program to do whatever you like ... MIDI control of guitar FX rack units, hands-free remote control of Sonar from a recording room ... heck, you can even program flashing LEDs for Christmas decoration ...
     
     
     

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/09 11:11:14 (permalink)
    The X32 got great reviews and that's £2K...the small-format mixers are OK for the price.
    the ADA8000 has been replaced by the 8200 which is fairly decent, apparently.
    The Bugera guitar amps are also excellent.
    The V-Amp range is liked by some people too.
     

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/09 11:52:31 (permalink)
    I believe many have had product failure with the lower cost items.  However they have introduced items into the market that allow people with shallower wallets to still get some of the audio products they need for music.  But, when it breaks, in the end it can be more costly.  Therefore I think you have two clearly divided opinions....owners with usable units and those that have the broken ones.  Unfortunately, there are many in the latter, to tarnish the overall.
    After acquiring a couple of 'heavy hitter' companies, Behringer Music group appears to have stepped up their quality, along with building their own manufacturing facility in China.  The X series mixers and the related products are appearing to hold up VERY well in the field and in some cases have redefined price points for some products like digital mixers and monitoring systems.  As a musician, I'd like to see this trend continue, but wish it could help the USA economy more, rather than the Chinese.  But that's another topic to avoid.

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/09 15:52:19 (permalink)
    Behringer isn't the only low-cost vendor, just probably the one with the broadest product range. ART, Zoom and Samson are some of the other "value" manufacturers. ART in particular is a cut above but in a comparable price range as Behringer. ART has some great preamps and headphone amps. Samson makes some cool and unique accessories, including a headphone monitor that I've used for many years. Zoom offers some amazing values for portable recorders, compact mixer/interfaces, drum machines and stompboxes.


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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/09 19:46:24 (permalink)
    I've got several Behringer products.  All of them work well.  My BCF2000 has been a "workhorse" that I got back in the Sonar 7 days.  I have a 4 channel headphone amp that does well. I also have a much used Behringer CT100 cable tester that has held up well.  I have  a couple Behringer DI boxes (one active and one passive). 

    I have a Behringer "knock off" of the Boss RV3 that works and sounds better than the Boss unit, however the Behringer is in a "plastic" type case.  

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/09 20:48:46 (permalink)
    I've been in the "89%" group since Behringer's first days and never even considered purchasing any of their products. Then last month our band played at a local restaurant that had Behringer 10" and 12" powered speakers that we had to use as floor monitors. When I saw them I just moaned and rolled my eyes, but once we fired them up they worked great and sounded great - very clear, some of the better-sounding floor monitors I've ever used. Our bass player and I were so impressed that we are now watching eBay auctions for these monitors.     

      
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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/09 23:15:29 (permalink)
    I owned a music store. I was very in tune to products that had a low price point, but would have too many returns to make any kind of profit from. Certain brands are just plain more dependable than others. Yamaha had a much lower profit margin, but nobody ever complained. Roland, Yorkville, Godin, Art and many others cost me more to deal with and lower profit margin, but in the long run my customers never had to bring stuff back because I was filtering out bad quality for them.So even though I'm sure there are lot's of B products being used without issues, they are not on my good list at this point in time.  

    I have purchased a few B products because of the appealing price point. They all let me down. Funny the store i bought a powered speaker from was not surprised to see me return it. I traded it for a Mackie, all is good. I will never buy anything from them again as a result. The rep even replied to posting like this i made on gear slutz so they are very aware that they have failed to build a good rep. If i was them I would scrap the name and start over.
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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/10 10:55:30 (permalink)
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    If i was them I would scrap the name and start over.



    Entirely possible scenario, although more likely they'd start (or buy) a new brand under the umbrella corporation that owns Behringer now. That's been the usual route when a company wants to break into a new higher- or lower-end market. Good or bad, "Behringer" has broad name-recognition and they'd be foolish to throw that away. And they already have at least one respected brand in their portfolio (Midas) that they could market better-quality devices under.
     
     


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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/10 13:07:05 (permalink)
    I was surprised to see the X32 get so many raves, but then, I was even more surprised at the Midas deal. I look at this similar to when Hyundai and Kia first entered the US car market. Those cars weren't regarded as anything of quality early on, and for good reason. Later on they upped their game. Seriously entered into competition with Honda and Toyota ( who were also once in the same boat). Now those companies are serious competition. The flip side is that the cost has also gone up.
     
    I see Behringer doing a similar thing. They are partnering with and buying companies with clout.This will likely lead to better products, not that they haven't had a few decent ones before that. The cost will go up with that quality. They might keep a low end line and offer a higher range like the X32 which is getting away from cheap toy territiory.
     
    I still don't think I would buy an interface from them. At least not yet.

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/11 16:20:16 (permalink)
    I've used the X32, great product.  You really impress folks when you're on stage with them mixing the monitors from an iPad, hearing exactly what they do.  
     
    I still record through a passive Behringer mixer I've had for a good 15 years. It's only flaw is now the main fader is getting scratchy, but there's really no brand that would be immune to that eventually.

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/11 16:23:51 (permalink)
    I've been fairly lucky with the few Behringer items I've bought.  I have some Truth monitors that have lasted quite a few years (they aren't my main ones but used for additional checks).  I've had a couple of cheap mixers that have worked fine (including a line mixer I still use).  I did have a v-amp that only lasted a couple of years, but it was cheap enough it wasn't a big deal to replace.  I think it's just a matter of luck.  A lot of people really like the ART stuff.  I had a ART MP Studio preamp that only lasted about a year before it died (once again really cheap so not a big deal). 

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/11 20:44:43 (permalink)
    There are always products that will burn you depending on your experiences.  I hate Samson because of multiple dead products (I will NEVER support Samson's Zoom since they are ruining the location recording industry).   Art has failed on me twice.  I had 7 ultimate support stands and they all broke.  But oddly enough, I never had a problem with Behringer.  I had a small Eurorack mixer, a headphone amp, a composer pro, a crossover, a LDC microphone, and a reference monitor amplifier.  All of them still work great, and sound okay, even if I hardly use them.  
     
    If you break open a Behringer product, they use decent quality parts and the same quality resistors, capacitors and transistors you will find in much higher end brands.  The build quality, however, is cheap and plastic.  You need to treat them like a Faberge Egg.

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/13 04:30:11 (permalink)
    I was running the original Multicom & Multigate for many years before I moved to an ITB setup.
     
    They performed as well as you could expect at that price point
     
    I'm still running the original Powerplay headphone amp - it's really rather good and provides very flexible routing options
     
    Another goodie is their Bass V-Amp rackmount box. It's not as versatile as, say a Pod, but it gets the job done
     
    And that is my Behringer experience

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/17 19:08:31 (permalink)
    I've had good luck with Behringer stuff.  I guess I'm in the 10% success group.  There are some things that I don't go cheap with, but the active DI boxes, small-format mixers, and 2 BCF 2000 controllers have been flawless.  For the most part, if I can get 2 or 3 years of use out of anything, I consider myself lucky.  Besides, by that time things are ready for an upgrade anyway.

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    Re: What Behringer stuff is bad? 2014/01/17 19:58:38 (permalink)
    I owned two very low-end Behringer mixers a few years ago and sold them to 'upgrade' to a Soundcraft Compact 10. The Soundcraft died less than two years after buying it, so now I use a Mackie. I did some digging around when my Compact 10 died and found that I wasn't the only one. And they all died the same way in the same time frame. Had it been a car, there would have been a recall notice.
     
    FWIW, I have more faith in Behringer than in Soundcraft.
     
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