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Save Sound City
By now many of you have seen Dave Grohl's documentary, so you'll be interested to hear Ian Shepherd's comments on the mastering of the accompanying CD. He's not very happy about it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3aCNalLojQ
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/08 10:42:26
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StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/08 11:01:05
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That's really interesting.
There's also some good stuff in his two videos regarding remasters of Green Day's American Idiot and Michael Jackson's Thriller.
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/08 12:02:52
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Amazing how this 'loudness wars' nonsense refuses to go away..everything still has a volume control..
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/08 12:17:37
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this seems to make all of dave grohl's efforts to use killer analog gear useless once it was mastered.
honestly, what was the point?
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/08 13:45:19
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If I wanted a sausage, I'd go to the butcher's shop.
I found it interesting that I couldn't really hear the big difference until I put headphones on, then it became very apparent! (I guess that means I need to stop reviewing songs with my PC speakers, ya?)
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/09 20:53:06
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bitflipper
By now many of you have seen Dave Grohl's documentary, so you'll be interested to hear Ian Shepherd's comments on the mastering of the accompanying CD. He's not very happy about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3aCNalLojQ
That was very interesting. Thanks for posting it.
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/09 21:39:47
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When I was younger and didn't know anything about audio I made a vague observation to myself that some of my CD's needed turning up way more than others, but that when they were turned up to the same volume they somehow sounded better than the "louder" CD's. And one of these was Joe Jackson's "Body And Soul," which I always thought was a great sounding album. I was therefore very pleased years later to see it on Bob Katz's Honor Roll of Dynamic Recordings. My ears had taste!
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/10 13:56:02
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Interesting read. They say the devil is in the details.
Watching video of one of David's albums in the making. They had the drum kit set up in his untreated garage and it was giving the engineer a run for his money to get it recorded. When I seen that I have wondered if maybe they resorted to drum replacement . I didn't see how they could have captured a good take.They went to Pro Tools with those takes, so it appeared to me original analog kind of took a back seat to production demands early on.
Add to that mastering similar to what happened with Metallica and I also see very little return on efforts to capture a true analog album. Of course Grohl is Grohl and he sold albums regardless. Like Bono, he can afford to be eccentric in his methodology and still make a huge profit.
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/11 12:26:05
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A great performance of a great song trumps anything we can do to it electronically.
I've just been listening to Creedence Clearwater Revival's Greatest Hits. Sounds like it was recorded in a garage - from the next room. Those tunes still make me smile, though.
Last night I had the headphones on while tediously grinding away on my elliptical exercise machine, listening to Queen's Greatest Hits. With good headphones you can hear plenty of what many would consider recording "mistakes". But when Freddie screams "get on your bikes and ride!" I am infused with renewed energy to keep going.
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/11 13:14:22
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Well put Bit. I think you've gotten to the real heart of the matter.
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/11 14:48:50
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Well, there you go! I suppose that is why normal people when hearing loud music compressed and all of that like the video showed, say - "Turn it down!". It is annoying to me not to have dynamic range in a song, just utterly annoying! It's an insult to the senses at least in my opinion. There's more but i will stop there, and please "Turn it off!"  Just one more thing though, I think that somehow I am just more refined because of music and the way it should be - to me. Beating people to death with loudness wars somehow just does not appeal to me in the sense that it is more than scary in that kind of action. Depends on the kind of music also, some music you expect that, but in most music I listen to or want to listen to, I do not expect it.
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/11 21:46:34
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If you poke around on YouTube, there's a video comparing a Green Day song between the original release version and a new remaster with better dynamic range.
Sadly, both versions pretty much sound the same. The comparison almost serves as a counter-argument to the point the poster was trying to make.
He should have used George Harrison's All Things Must Pass instead. It was a sacrilege what they did to the re-issue of that classic masterpiece.
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/12 09:35:02
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Last night I had the headphones on while tediously grinding away on my elliptical exercise machine, listening to Queen's Greatest Hits. With good headphones you can hear plenty of what many would consider recording "mistakes". But when Freddie screams "get on your bikes and ride!" I am infused with renewed energy to keep going. I had read some where (SOS?) that some of Queen's songs had over a hundred overdubs and who know's how many razor edits... amazing what they did!
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/12 10:41:30
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jamesg1213 Amazing how this 'loudness wars' nonsense refuses to go away..everything still has a volume control..
I really think that this goes into the advertising and the "show" that the media makes for many bands and such. I remember the old days, when the Rolling Stones, Deep Purple and Black Sabbath were too loud and not that good in concert. But the media was all over kissing them, and the fans thought it was cool to come out of it with your ears ringing. For that matter, later on, The Who, when they were the leading act, were also too loud and my friend that sits next to me, has been partially deaf for about 45 years! Somewhere along the way, we have to decide if it is the music or the loudness, and if "reviewers" start stomping on it, it would likely stop the inanity and the kissing of these rock stars and what not. Until that day, the "loudness" wars, both studio and concert, will be all over everything we do. It's the same with that bass pound pound pound ... so talented! But it is loud and louder than the rest!
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/12 10:42:58
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SuperG
Last night I had the headphones on while tediously grinding away on my elliptical exercise machine, listening to Queen's Greatest Hits. With good headphones you can hear plenty of what many would consider recording "mistakes". But when Freddie screams "get on your bikes and ride!" I am infused with renewed energy to keep going.
I had read some where (SOS?) that some of Queen's songs had over a hundred overdubs and who know's how many razor edits... amazing what they did!
Jimmy did the same thing to several Led Zeppelin things, and specially ruined the stuff in "How The West Was Won" as the bootlegs were seriously better and had more energy, and I don't mean LOUDNESS! It's no wonder that Robert Plant doesn't want to be with him any more!
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/12 10:57:01
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The Who, when they were the leading act, were also too loud and my friend that sits next to me, has been partially deaf for about 45 years! Pete Townshend expressed regret also - his ears are damaged as well. If broadcasters go with loudness normalization, all those loud bands are going to lose that 'loudness' and simply sound over smashed instead...
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/12 11:03:30
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SuperG
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Pete Townshend expressed regret also - his ears are damaged as well.
If broadcasters go with loudness normalization, all those loud bands are going to lose that 'loudness' and simply sound over smashed instead...
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Nah, they would just sound as bad as they are!
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/12 17:42:28
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/12 18:40:49
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 Hmm... Hey, that hair looks kinda familiar!
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/13 09:40:44
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 So that was you following me around that day! I know, it looks ridiculous - wearing a stocking cap on a warm day like that. But I was having a bad-hair day.
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Re: Save Sound City
2014/01/13 10:25:39
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