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[Solved] Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
I'm still getting that dialog whenever I apply Melodyne to a track/clip, the one saying my buffer sizes are too small. Could someone please tell me exactly where in Preferences these buffer size settings are? I've already tried several places where I thought they'd be, but obviously I'm not finding them.
post edited by Anderton - 2014/01/09 17:41:05
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 08:35:13
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☼ Best Answerby rontarrant 2014/01/09 08:52:29
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 08:55:22
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Thanks, Conley. In hindsight, I suppose I should have done a search of the forum before posting. I'd only ever researched this on the Celemony forum; why? I just don't know.
Anyway, problem solved. Ignore the warning and carry on and perhaps one day a Melodyne update will give us the option of turning off this particular warning. That'd be cool.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 08:57:08
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NP, but the forum search does not always work. This new forum software has some bugs too. I am glad to help when I can as well as complain about things that don't work. ;)
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 10:36:11
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The most annoying part to me is that if you forget to click it away (for instance because you had a window still open in the multidock when saving, and then you reloaded the project) and open a new instance next to it, you'll get all kinds of weird behavior. Took me a while to figure out what the problem was.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 11:32:05
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I have to set ASIO to 1024 samples when using Melodyne but there is no way to track at that setting because of latency (delay); consequently, I reset that all the time.
Sometimes, I lose audio when going from 1024 to a smaller number for tracking and have to reboot--but not always.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 12:20:19
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Ah, so it's ASIO buffers that need to be at 1024. I was searching everywhere else but.
But now that I know the warning can be ignored, I feel much better. I had been ignoring it, just not feeling very safe doing so. Much better now.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 12:21:29
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Thanks Guitarmech111, Sanderexpander and konradh for the replies.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 12:38:59
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☄ Helpfulby rontarrant 2014/01/09 17:32:12
konradh
I have to set ASIO to 1024 samples when using Melodyne but there is no way to track at that setting because of latency (delay); consequently, I reset that all the time.
Sometimes, I lose audio when going from 1024 to a smaller number for tracking and have to reboot--but not always.
1) I am pretty sure the "buffer" is I/O buffer (Advanced Mode: Preferences->Audio->Synch and Caching (the disc read/writes to smooth ARA performance)) and not Audio buffer. I remember early on I jacked my ASIO buffer through the roof and still got that warning... but if you set I/O buffers to 1024 that warning goes away (just verified this actually). 2) Someone involved in the beta testing chimed in on a thread (I wish I could give them credit), and said that was implemented as a short-term fix and was resolved in a later build of Melodyne (i.e. no longer applicable), but is still encoded into the program. 3) Bottom line, can blow this warning off unless you see issues, but be wary about that warning dialogue causing issues like in #5 above.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 16:10:43
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I get that warning but simply close it and it doesn't pop up again or interfere with the operation of the DAW.
I'm still using X1e so maybe there is no update for me....
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 17:35:15
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mettelus
1) I am pretty sure the "buffer" is I/O buffer (Advanced Mode: Preferences->Audio->Synch and Caching (the disc read/writes to smooth ARA performance)) and not Audio buffer. I remember early on I jacked my ASIO buffer through the roof and still got that warning... but if you set I/O buffers to 1024 that warning goes away (just verified this actually).
Yup, I've tried both and nothing keeps that dialog from popping up. Strangely, once it's been dismissed in a session, you can add another instance of Melodyne to another track and it doesn't pop up again. But you're right; ignoring it seems to be the way to go. As I mentioned earlier, I've been doing that all along and getting away with it.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 17:42:21
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All this time I've been ignoring it and things seemed to work, but wondered what was going on. Thanks for lifting the veils of ignorance from my eyes 
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 17:44:58
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It seemed like a wonderful opportunity to use the much-touted new "toast notifications" but alas...
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 18:00:28
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Sanderxpander
It seemed like a wonderful opportunity to use the much-touted new "toast notifications" but alas...
It's a message from Melodyne not SONAR.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 18:13:08
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It may not be the ASIO buffer that is causing the message and that's good to know; but Celemony does recommend setting the ASIO buffer to 1024 and I have had crashes and other issues when I did not.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 19:14:52
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konradh
It may not be the ASIO buffer that is causing the message and that's good to know; but Celemony does recommend setting the ASIO buffer to 1024 and I have had crashes and other issues when I did not.
Just curious... how much RAM do you have?
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 19:21:28
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I have 12GBs RAM. See below for more details.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/09 19:48:51
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I spent about 6 hours yesterday editing guitar parts and vocal part on melodyne. Compressors everywhere (sadly), 3 instances of Kontakt, addictive drums, various reverbs etc. No issues whatsoever and my ASIO buffer is on 128, so is I/O (8 times smaller than they recommend). It really depends on your hardware and the way you have set up your system, so please don't take my advice, but from my angle I took their advice with a pinch of salt. I can understand why they do this though, it probably cuts down the support calls. Every case is going to be different though...
post edited by CakeAlexS - 2014/01/09 22:41:22
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/10 06:00:15
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/01/10 06:07:51
konradh
I have 12GBs RAM. See below for more details.
Of course (smacks forehead). So, it likely isn't the amount of RAM, but here are a couple of other possibilities: - hardware (as Alex said) Your motherboard's front-side bus, specifically. Which motherboard are you using? Or, is it a brand name computer and, if so, which brand/model? - The 'fix' they recently did was geared toward getting Melodyne to work better with X3c or X3d and may not have fixed the problem in earlier versions of Sonar.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/10 22:35:12
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The warning message came up again, and I was thinking that Celemony, who in my view has an application as beautiful as when the iPhone first came out, with a simply amazing engine, that has unique features like snake tails in it's UI, came up with something as ugly as this. I would have expected that Celomony would have done a full diagnostic of the PC and worked out how double it's performance automagically without the user even knowing what was going on, and then given a nice 3D visual similar to the film "avatar" to make it look as though the PC was running at optimum, and it would be correcting my posts as we speak.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/11 18:43:21
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@CakeAlexS: Whatever it is you're smoking, may I have some, please?
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/11 20:01:13
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Sell by date at 9000 posts. Do not feed. @48/24 & 128 buffers latency is 367 with offset of 38. Sonar Platinum(64 bit),Win 8.1(64 bit),Saffire Pro 40(Firewire),Mix Control = 3.4,Firewire=VIA,Dell Studio XPS 8100(Intel Core i7 CPU 2.93 Ghz/16 Gb),4 x Seagate ST31500341AS (mirrored),GeForce GTX 460,Yamaha DGX-505 keyboard,Roland A-300PRO,Roland SPD-30 V2,FD-8,Triggera Krigg,Shure SM7B,Yamaha HS5.Maschine Studio+Komplete 9 Ultimate+Kontrol Z1.Addictive Keys,Izotope Nectar elements,Overloud Bundle,Geist.Acronis True Image 2014.
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/12 03:33:43
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You're a strange man Alex. ;-)
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Re: Melodyne and Buffer Size (sigh)
2014/01/14 02:40:53
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... excellent thread. I believe that setting the ASIO buffers to 1024 may have seriously helped fix melodyne-sonar crashes (that I used to get oft with older versions of Melodyne ... even in X2).
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