Which sounds the best? (Help with my sining, much appreciated!)

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2014/01/10 11:08:43 (permalink)

Which sounds the best? (Help with my sining, much appreciated!)

Hey guys,
 
So I made this thread the other day about not being able to sing and asking how my chorus sounded. Well now I've started going to a song pedagogue (not sure if it's called that in english) to help me sing better. I visited him two times already and going again on Monday but I really, really wanna finish this song like yesterday!
If you listen to the track you have the chorus three times with three different settings. The first one is me naturally. The second is pitch -0,5 and amplitude +0,5, the third is just pitch -1.0. Changes made with melodyne.
 
I'm wondering which sounds the best. I think my song pedagogue would say I'm too high on the first one that's why I pitched the other two. Also if none of them are perfect, do you think my mixing engineer could perfect this using melodyne?
 
Really appreciate your input on this.
 
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    Guitarhacker
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    Re: Which sounds the best? (Help with my sining, much appreciated!) 2014/01/10 11:33:08 (permalink)
    I didn't know that hip hop required singing..... ?
     
    This is not my genre, so I'm simply listening as a producer and home recording engineer...... of no renound.
     
    On the clip you posted.  The "natural" first one sounds best.  The others are obviously processed and don't sound good. They are darker since they are lower in pitch. 
    What exactly were you trying to accomplish by melodyning  the vox pitch lower on both of them? Whatever it was, it didn't work.
     
    If you're seeking that popular autotuned effect, I would suggest using Autotune rather than melodyne. Melodyne is better for pitch correct that is transparent after the fact.

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    Re: Which sounds the best? (Help with my sining, much appreciated!) 2014/01/10 11:38:38 (permalink)
    I don't even listen to hiphop so I don't know :)
     
    Nono, not looking for an autotune effect!
     
    The thing is my song pedagogue told me I should sing this in G#->G->F-C to fit the beat and I'm definitely not doing that. I'm much higher. So questions are if it sounds good as it is and if not can this be fixed with melodyne you think?
     
    Otherwise I just have to keep going but god I just want this finished :D
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    Re: Which sounds the best? (Help with my sining, much appreciated!) 2014/01/10 11:49:28 (permalink)
    Sounds like the melody line should be : G#(a) - G(ny) - F(thing),  G#(with) - G(out) - C(you).  Your original is quite a way off from that, almost a tone. If your teacher wants you to sing that, maybe you need to practice it until you can hit the notes bang on?

     
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    Re: Which sounds the best? (Help with my sining, much appreciated!) 2014/01/10 11:58:44 (permalink)
    You don't listen to hip hop? Seriously? That's the genre this appears to be... to my ears anyway....
     
    If the "vocal instructor" or voice coach  (in English) says it's the "wrong key" for you to sing.... then a better solution would be to change the key of the song to match the key in which you sing the best.
     
    OK so I know you're not looking for the AT effect.  But using Melodyne Editor (ME)  to change the key of your voice in the entire track is not the best way. Using melodyne to drop the pitch results in the vocals sounding flat relative to the pitch of the song since that aspect was NOT changed. That becomes evident on the 2nd clip on the word "DO" which is sounding slightly flat. As you go into the 3rd clip example it is starting to become painfully and obviously flat.
     
    You are also battling vocal formants which need to be adjusted in ME or the vox start to sound un-natural as they are moved away from the original pitch. That is the main reason I say record the tracks again in a different, lower, key and sing it naturally in that new key. See how that works..... using melodyne to lower just the vocals ignores the fact that the music has not been lowered equally.
     
    I have, on several occasions had to work with singers to find that right and perfect pitch for them to sing the song properly and in their power range. It required the work to record every musical track again to the proper pitch and key.
     
    IF..... however, you are not talking so much about pitch, as you are talking about the timbre or vocal quality..... as in needing a deeper sounding voice... (think Barry White vs Pee Wee Herman) ..... Well, if that's the case..... that's a whole different story and I don't think Melodyne will help you there much either.... You'd probably need to talk to God about that one. I certainly with there was a "Male Country superstar singer" plug in for vocals, but I haven't found one yet.
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    Re: Which sounds the best? (Help with my sining, much appreciated!) 2014/01/10 12:45:42 (permalink)
    Do I need to listen to hiphop to make it? :) I listen to trance and chillout.

    You're right, I should record it correctly. It's just I wanna finish it so bad. I'm going crazy over this chorus and not being able to sing it right. But you're right... What's the point of making something I will regret not perfecting when I in the future actually will be able to sing it correct... And making changes with melodyne should always be a last resort... Well I know this... Oh well, thanks guys!
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