Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3?

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2014/01/11 11:33:50 (permalink)

Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3?

I've seen another thread about some of the FF UFX users having performance issues with X3.
I'd like to hear  if this is just a problem for a few, or is the FF UFX working good for most of the users.
I'm very close to buy one of this interfaces because it seem to have everything i need.
Please let me know if it's working good for you or not.
 
 

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/11 13:04:07 (permalink)
    Having some issues here.  Not critical ones, but annoying ones.  For me, the issues are primarily with firewire.  Using USB the system is stable, but still has a few lags and clicks at odd places (e.g., exporting audio).  In general RME drivers are great and they frequently updated, so I expect this will get worked out.  These issues with X3 aside, the UFX is a fantastic unit.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/11 17:40:06 (permalink)
    Thanks neirbod. 
    Yes the UFX looks like a fantastic unit. 
     
    Anyone else?

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/11 17:52:41 (permalink)
    I have not had any problems with my Fireface UFX or the Fireface 400.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/11 18:26:14 (permalink)
    I love the FF UFX. It is a rock solid unit outside the exposure with X3 that several people are having. Other than the pops and clicks in X3, I have no other real issue with it. Timing is good in X3 with zero sync issues on straight playback.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/11 21:18:31 (permalink)
    Hi Roger H.
    Are you using onboard firewire, or are you using a add on card for that ?
    if you are using a add on card what chipset and number...cause the poster Guitarmech111/neibod... seems to have issues...and it may be the onboard firewire causing the problem.?..if you have a solution, may benefit some here.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/11 21:25:52 (permalink)
    FTR - mine is USB.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/12 00:06:12 (permalink)
    Sir Les
    Hi Roger H.
    Are you using onboard firewire, or are you using a add on card for that ?
    if you are using a add on card what chipset and number...cause the poster Guitarmech111/neibod... seems to have issues...and it may be the onboard firewire causing the problem.?..if you have a solution, may benefit some here.




    I'm using the onboard firewire with my soundcard now, and i'ts working great with my ECHO Audiofire4 card.
    When/if I get the FF UFX I will see what's working best.
    I've seen that RME says that USB has a little better  performance than firewire with the FF UFX.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/12 15:48:26 (permalink)
    I have a UCX.
    Using my computer at 44.1 Sonar measured these latencies.
     
    Firewire
    69 samples input
    126 samples output.
    195 samples round trip
     
    USB
    76 input
    93 output
    169 round trip
     
    I love my UCX and have no issues with it. I will say it gets hot, which has not been an issue for me, but is worth mentioning in case you are aiming for a tight rack space.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/12 16:49:04 (permalink)
    I am using the fireface ufx with absolutely no problems - both firewire and usb. My firewire is an expresscard 34 addon with Texas Instruments chipset.
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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/12 16:58:55 (permalink)
    PCIe Syba TI chipset Firewire controller for $25 is the card I used for the brief period I used Firewire with my FF UCX.
     
    See Newegg.com for good pricing.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/12 17:40:07 (permalink)
    Thanks for the replies. 
    Have any of you tried to use it as a live mixer ? 

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/12 20:34:20 (permalink)
    I definitely use it as a live mixer. I have mixed 5 live gigs using it to date, so not tons of experience (could be more than 5 but at least 5).
     
    I REALLY like it. I like the compressors and EQs so much I've started recording the sends to the mains using loopback on the ADAT channels. What I do in Sonar ends up being great practice for mixing bands live. I can even save all the EQ Settings for a particular band and pop them back up.
     
    The reverbs are wonderful.
    The echo is an addition to the Reverbs really. It can be used independently (only echo no reverb). What you can't do is send 5 tracks to reverb and 1 track to reverb AND echo. The FX bus has Reverb and Echo inserts. Everything sent to that bus gets the same pairing of those two.
     
    Now Reverb and Compression/Expansion IS track by track.
     
    I have done real time bounces within Sonar to apply the reverb from the UCX to a mix. I have not really used the compressors for real time bounces, but I do use them when mixing live. Keep in mind that for this purpose you can use the ADAT channels too. So you can Send 18 44.1 tracks through the EQs and Compressors in the UCX and bring them all back into Sonar for mixing. Not sure it's worth the effort, but think about it.
     
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    FX Send. Setting the level of the signal sent to the FX bus which feeds Echo and Reverb. The current setting is also visible with closed channel settings, because knob and small fader are always synchronized. To make this function as useful as possible FX Send is locked to the highest submix, thus imitating the Aux Post Fader function of a standard mixing desk. When moving the big fader both knob and small fader will move. This way the reverb signal will always have the same relation to the dry signal.

    post edited by gswitz - 2014/01/13 17:53:56

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/12 21:41:18 (permalink)
    I want to add that RME also comes with DigiCheck. This means that you not only get the EQ and compressor/expander on every channel with sends to Reverb and Delay bus... You also get the fantastic Level Meters, Spectral Analyzer, Vector Audio Scope etc. These can be saved in Workspaces so it's possible to open 10 instances each metering a different input over time. This gives you a way to get K-System measurements real time during the concert and to limit the metering to the performance of the Sax, say or some other instrument that isn't constantly playing.
     
    It's a great tool for helping set levels and EQ out to the mains.
     
    Additionally, I had my computer lose power during a set break and everything kept running (mains) while I rebooted.
     
    Really, I couldn't be happier with it. I've learned SO much!

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/12 21:56:10 (permalink)
    The UCX allows you to save mix Snapshots during the show.
     
    So, in the sound check, you enable phantom power on some tracks... maybe Inst on line ins direct from amplifiers. Now, click Store and save it as submix 1.
     
    Next, your start adding EQ and compression to your various tracks. Click Store and Submix 2.
     
    Now, get a little daring with the EQ. oops. Click the submix 2 button to undo.
     
    The band asks to hear themselves without FX to trouble shoot a problem. Hit submix 1.
     
    Problem solved, turn FX back on. Hit submix 2.
     
    Try out different reverbs (save to submix 3,4 and 5). These will be used for different songs so the reverb stays fresh and interesting. Between songs, change submix.
     
    See? Really lots of possibilities.
     
    At the end of the Show, save the workspace for the Venue and Band.
     
    Next time you're at the club, pull it up and you have all your EQ work, track naming, compression/expander settings, Reverb Sends up in a second.
     
    Workspaces for DigiCheck are saved separately, but equally useful. Workspace includes graphical positioning of the UI for multiple instances of the programs. So, when you set them all up side-by-side and save as a WS, they open back up just the same.
     

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/12 23:16:24 (permalink)
    Thanks gswitz (and everyone else) for all info .
    I think I'll pull the the trigger and buy this unit.
    Seems like it's a peace of gear the can last for a long time with all it's possibilities.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/13 11:10:57 (permalink)
    I'm running an RME UFX via USB and it's very solid - very happy with it.  No issues.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/13 12:31:48 (permalink)
    Via USB no problems whatsoever...love the unit. Haven't tried FW.
     
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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/13 16:19:59 (permalink)
    I am an ultra-power user and have no issues using this about 20 hours a day.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/13 21:03:24 (permalink)
    Just ordered it. Cant't wait 

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/13 23:31:28 (permalink)
    Why am I jealous? giggle.
     
    I hope you love it.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/14 00:06:58 (permalink)
    I've never had an issue with the UFX via USB. Never tried FW.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/14 04:03:36 (permalink)
    And what about latency (in USB mode ?
    Is it short enough, if you need it to be ?

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/14 04:11:21 (permalink)
    TS
    And what about latency (in USB mode ?
    Is it short enough, if you need it to be ?


     

    When I'm tracking real time effects I often run with the buffer set to 64 and I don't have problems and once I have started to mix I will change this to 512.

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/14 19:08:56 (permalink)
    I tend to mix at 2048 because of switching screensets. Switching screensets can cause drop-outs for me.
     
    I'm able to record at 48 sample buffer, but tend to use 64 like Karhide.
     
    Now, for me, anything below 256 I consider useable.
     
    Also, on my laptop, I have to bring the buffer up some. 128 or 256.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/14 19:14:40 (permalink)
    Also, if I'm doing one take wonders (most of my recordings), I skip Sonar and just use RME DigiCheck to make the recording. I apply eq-compression and reverb and send the outs for headphone monitoring from the interface in virtual zero latency. If I want a metronome, I've taken to running a metronome through one of the inputs in the interface and routing it to the headphones. Then, we can just play. When I import into Sonar later I can line up the clicks on the recorded click track. I just write down the tempos as I go.
     
    This doesn't take advantage of Sonar's ability to do comp recording (unless you record the same song repeatedly at the same tempo) or Sonar's midi synths, but it's super simple and easy to do. If you're people can really play and aren't looking to practice the same song 22 times in a row, it's a great way to make recordings.
     
    One of the nice parts about this type of recording is there is no starting and stopping during the session.

    StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen.
    I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/15 16:33:51 (permalink)
    Thanks you !

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    Re: Fireface UFX working good with Sonar X3? 2014/01/16 03:34:47 (permalink)
    The ability to record in standalone mode (DigiCheck), is one of the things that I really like about this interface.
    Great for field recordings.

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