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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 15:00:26
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Ironically, it seems that to actually get noticed for these obscenity gestures, one has to be dead.
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 15:15:19
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The meaning V-sign depends on whether your palm is outward in inward.
Palm out it's the Victory-sign, palm in it's about the same as stiff midfinger.
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2014/01/13 16:20:00
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P.S. I only say anything in an attempt to be unfunny as possible! As Master Bapu would want
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 16:30:45
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I remember being taught that using the two fingered 'V-sign' as an insulting gesture had its origins back in the wars between England and France. The Weapon of Mass Destruction of the day was the longbow, and all able-bodied Englishmen were required by law to practise using one at least once a week in peace-time. English archers taken prisoner by the French suffered the amputation of the index and second fingers from the hand they drew the bow with to prevent them from ever being able to use one again. Hence Englishmen who had never been captured would use the V-sign to taunt their French opposition and show they were able to draw and fire the longbow.
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 16:40:21
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I remember being taught that using the two fingered 'V-sign' as an insulting gesture had its origins back in the wars between England and France.
The Weapon of Mass Destruction of the day was the longbow, and all able-bodied Englishmen were required by law to practise using one at least once a week in peace-time.
English archers taken prisoner by the French suffered the amputation of the index and second fingers from the hand they drew the bow with to prevent them from ever being able to use one again.
Hence Englishmen who had never been captured would use the V-sign to taunt their French opposition and show they were able to draw and fire the longbow.
Gave them the 'ol "Pluck Yew?" 
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 16:41:32
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How drôle
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 18:54:26
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Well...as long as they didn't raise them to their lips and wriggle their tongue between them. That there's a whole nother thang!
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 19:01:59
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The v-sign is hugely outdated. Nowadays if you want to signal disrespect to someone with your hands in Britain, you have to position your hand as if you were holding a can of Coke, then rotate the wrist up and down along its x-axis.
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 19:29:16
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I thought you mimed daintily drinking a cup of tea with the pinkie extended while winking ? No wonder people avoided me in London....
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 20:12:37
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you know back in 1994 when I visited London, there was no call for obscenity, every one wa sproper and helped me as an American bumbling about and even took me to the front of the que. Very proper manners.
The French, in Paris, were another matter, and I extended the American middle finger to them at every opportunity, which, then was about every time I interacted with them .
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 20:24:10
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you know back in 1994 when I visited London, there was no call for obscenity, every one wa sproper and helped me as an American bumbling about and even took me to the front of the que. Very proper manners.
The French, in Paris, were another matter, and I extended the American middle finger to them at every opportunity, which, then was about every time I interacted with them .
LOL... in Paris you could ask them, "sprechen Sie Deutsch"?
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 20:26:16
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you know back in 1994 when I visited London, there was no call for obscenity, every one wa sproper and helped me as an American bumbling about and even took me to the front of the que. Very proper manners.
The French, in Paris, were another matter, and I extended the American middle finger to them at every opportunity, which, then was about every time I interacted with them .
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
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you know back in 1994 when I visited London, there was no call for obscenity, every one wa sproper and helped me as an American bumbling about and even took me to the front of the que. Very proper manners.
The French, in Paris, were another matter, and I extended the American middle finger to them at every opportunity, which, then was about every time I interacted with them .
George, your taste is impeccable
Seriously for a moment.. I was always told the British were stuffy and cold, I found it to be just the opposite. I was never made to feel more at ease and welcome than my visit to London. Seriously shopkeepers, the trains, the "Broadway" shows I saw, I was made to feel welcome and at home. The Germans where I lived, took me in since my ancestry was Hungarian and I was swarthy, plus I made every attempt to speak German first, and followed their rules.My greatest compliment, among others was to be invited to the family only birthday celebration, which I was told later comprised of two celebrations, the family only, then everyone else. Plus during my wedding celebration my landlords came and partied with us. Now the french.... I made every attempt to dredge up my high school french to speak to them .. they ignored me, made fun of me, and generally made me wonder why in the hell did we liberate their arese sin WW II. Other than the Louvre, which was nice , they an kiss my derriere , (is that a french word???)
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 22:22:03
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you know back in 1994 when I visited London, there was no call for obscenity, every one wa sproper and helped me as an American bumbling about and even took me to the front of the que. Very proper manners.
The French, in Paris, were another matter, and I extended the American middle finger to them at every opportunity, which, then was about every time I interacted with them .
And we would do the same to you ;-) French don't like queues, but they know how to spell (blague or in english : joke) And BTW, don't judge all French by Parisiens (where i live we think they are aweful people). Some of us are ok !!! Paris is NOT the best of France. And don't get me started on Paris taxi drivers ................... Cheers, Jerry
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 23:06:48
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you know back in 1994 when I visited London, there was no call for obscenity, every one wa sproper and helped me as an American bumbling about and even took me to the front of the que. Very proper manners.
The French, in Paris, were another matter, and I extended the American middle finger to them at every opportunity, which, then was about every time I interacted with them .
And we would do the same to you ;-)
French don't like queues, but they know how to spell (blague or in english : joke)
And BTW, don't judge all French by Parisiens (where i live we think they are aweful people). Some of us are ok !!!
Paris is NOT the best of France. And don't get me started on Paris taxi drivers ...................
Cheers,
Jerry
merci mon ami I did not mean to belittle all the French, in fairness I visited other cities who were very hospitable to me and my guests .and i certain Parisian stops I was afforded hospitality. Generally in public by public employees I was looked down upon.In private Hotels and brasseries I was doted uopn. So accept my apologies if I offended you as a French national, that was not my intent.
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 23:24:58
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you know back in 1994 when I visited London, there was no call for obscenity, every one wa sproper and helped me as an American bumbling about and even took me to the front of the que. Very proper manners.
The French, in Paris, were another matter, and I extended the American middle finger to them at every opportunity, which, then was about every time I interacted with them .
George, your taste is impeccable
Seriously for a moment.. I was always told the British were stuffy and cold, I found it to be just the opposite.
I was never made to feel more at ease and welcome than my visit to London.
Seriously shopkeepers, the trains, the "Broadway" shows I saw, I was made to feel welcome and at home.
The Germans where I lived, took me in since my ancestry was Hungarian and I was swarthy, plus I made every attempt to speak German first, and followed their rules.My greatest compliment, among others was to be invited to the family only birthday celebration, which I was told later comprised of two celebrations, the family only, then everyone else. Plus during my wedding celebration my landlords came and partied with us.
Now the french....
I made every attempt to dredge up my high school french to speak to them .. they ignored me, made fun of me,
and generally made me wonder why in the hell did we liberate their arese sin WW II.
Other than the Louvre, which was nice , they an kiss my derriere , (is that a french word???)
Er you didn't the Brits did, check your facts. You only helped them. But i will shut up and please note i have't made nasty remarks about yanks ..... So far. Bise mon cul is probably what you want to say. Cheers J
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/13 23:36:45
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Looking at a response from a Brit(in jest) and an Frenchman (in earnest) ...
I attempted to put my broad brush away
I stand by my first antiquated observations of 1994, perhaps things have changed ..
I would love to revisit both countries again , of course in anon, and post my reception..
now granted then I visited a major city in England and a major and somewhat minor city in France, also
Austria, Hungary, Belgium, and all of Germany......
I will shut up now and avoid a major diplomatic tete a tete
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/14 08:30:34
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joakes
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And BTW, don't judge all French by Parisiens (where i live we think they are aweful people). Some of us are ok !!!
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Paris is NOT the best of France. And don't get me started on Paris taxi drivers ...................
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Cheers,
Jerry
Other than companies blatantly stealing pay from employees, I would say that Parisians are OK from a long distance, but smelly up close when they have to take their coffee break and get paid for it! Don't get me started on the French, other than music! My sister is still there in Paris, and she talks of it just like "Irreversible", when it comes to jobs and stealing and the government stealing from your pension/retirement!
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/14 09:57:33
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do we need a diplomat here??? 
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/14 10:19:06
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joakes
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And BTW, don't judge all French by Parisiens (where i live we think they are aweful people). Some of us are ok !!!
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Paris is NOT the best of France. And don't get me started on Paris taxi drivers ...................
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Cheers,
Jerry
Other than companies blatantly stealing pay from employees, I would say that Parisians are OK from a long distance, but smelly up close when they have to take their coffee break and get paid for it!
Don't get me started on the French, other than music! My sister is still there in Paris, and she talks of it just like "Irreversible", when it comes to jobs and stealing and the government stealing from your pension/retirement!
Your ignorence is incredible and shows how biaised you can be. So you're saying US companies don't steal pay ? LOL - I though ALL companies did that. When you know what you're talking about PM me and we can discuss further. Adieu mon ami, J
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/14 12:53:01
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Wow, didn't mean to start an international incident ... good thing I didn't mention the Dutch.
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/14 12:56:01
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I remember being taught that using the two fingered 'V-sign' as an insulting gesture had its origins back in the wars between England and France.
The Weapon of Mass Destruction of the day was the longbow, and all able-bodied Englishmen were required by law to practise using one at least once a week in peace-time.
English archers taken prisoner by the French suffered the amputation of the index and second fingers from the hand they drew the bow with to prevent them from ever being able to use one again.
Hence Englishmen who had never been captured would use the V-sign to taunt their French opposition and show they were able to draw and fire the longbow.
I don't mean to be critical of British customs and etiquette but it just seems like there is an awful lot of baggage and history associated with just giving somebody the finger(s).
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
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I was in Paris last week and the Parisiens were friendly and helpful. I tried in french at first and invariably I was answered in English.
I was Paris in the early 80's the last time and there was a lot less English spoken. There is way more English spoken today it seems, this is not a good thing IMHO.
Paris is a beautiful city and if I could I would live there for a year.
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
2014/01/14 13:37:42
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The v-sign is hugely outdated. Nowadays if you want to signal disrespect to someone with your hands in Britain, you have to position your hand as if you were holding a can of Coke, then rotate the wrist up and down along its x-axis.
Is this to indicate that if you had a can of Coke ... you would shake it and spray it on them? Please clarify.
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Re: What Hand Gesture Should I Use to Indicate an Obscenity in London?
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I haven't been to Britain or France, though I would love to visit there.. in that order. I have been to Germany and found the German people to be very efficient and orderly. Just don't try to strike up a conversation with or smile at a stranger... they don't get that. Most of the southern US is od Scotch/Irish heritage and people (not in the cities bt in rural areas) routinely wave at anyone anywhere, driving down the road, anywhere. My daughter who lives in Germany visited Ireland and said the Irish are just like that... she also noted that you don't smile at strangers in Germany, they think it has some deeper meaning... LOL.
As for the French, you know of course that when the US entered WW II in North Africa they first had to fight the French... really. It makes some sense if you look at it in a really twisted way.
I've always heard that the people of Paris have a disdain for Americans or any other people for that matter but that the rural people are very nice. It is probably the same everywhere.
I think there is a more pressure to be sociable in a rural area where everyone knows everyone else or might. In a big city, you can go to a store everyday and never see the same person twice so there is little pressure to be social or to treat people with respect.
Surely the French have earned a little of it but I really think it is more of a big city thing than anything else.
I could be wrong... like I said, I have not been there. Britain will be first however!
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