Guitarmech111
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Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
I am not able to see what use that would be for my workflow.
I have a track folder, with multiple tracks, why would I want to expand the topmost portion of the actual folder?
I just can't see why.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/16 17:19:45
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I actually use it as a snapshot of the instrument folder. If you don't need the actual waveforms for editing, but do want to see where things come in and out, that folder strip has colored lines or blocks where the audio is from within the folder. You can use it as a quick guideline to see what is going on without having to open up all the tracks in the folder.
You can quick look to see where, for example, guitar 2 drops out and guitar 1 picks up, or if there is overlap in tracks within a folder etc. Pretty handy.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/16 17:36:18
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That is pretty handy. I guess if you have a load of tracks in a folder, you can expand the folder, but not the tracks to save some real estate.
I always expand the folder because I don't have more than 10 tracks in a folder anyway. I have several folders, just not many tracks in them. I use the actual wave clips to do timing work instead of what you suggested above.
thanks for the reply :)
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/16 17:46:11
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If you diminish the track folder header and save project with auto zoom on, reopen project and folder headers are enlarged…. Why
It’s not a screeset thing because I don’t use them… ever
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/16 17:51:25
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By expanding the folder, you have a great place to write down any notes, pertinent information, etc... You can also see info on how many archived tracks you have, hidden tracks, how many tracks of audio, how many MIDI tracks. It is a great feature, very useful.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/16 18:00:59
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I agree with sevn450 and Sylvan :)
I just don’t understand why a folder header isn't the same size on reopening project. If you save project with auto zoom on.
Hope I'm not hijacking tread, if so I’ll start new topic.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/16 19:12:50
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I agree with sevn450 and Sylvan :)
I just don’t understand why a folder header isn't the same size on reopening project. If you save project with auto zoom on.
Hope I'm not hijacking tread, if so I’ll start new topic.
I reported it to CW late last year (although, in my case I used screensets), and it was confirmed and submitted to development.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/16 19:21:19
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As for folders in the track, I don't want them to show the folder track name. Is it possible to edit (delete) the name of each folder in the track (using Clip Properties Inspector)? I'm not at home now so I can't check it.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/17 02:43:20
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I don't understand.
For me, the height of track folders always open in whatever state they were saved in, which for my workflow is always minimized.
Once you click on Auto Zoom, you must shrink each folder manually to it's minimum height and they will stay that way from then on
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/17 02:58:27
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Bristol_Jonesey
I don't understand.
For me, the height of track folders always open in whatever state they were saved in, which for my workflow is always minimized.
Once you click on Auto Zoom, you must shrink each folder manually to it's minimum height and they will stay that way from then on
I bet your non-current tracks are also minimized. Make them taller and save the screenset. Then switch to another screenset and switch back. You'll see the issue.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/17 03:52:36
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That would make sense - I keep all of my non current tracks minimised
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/17 16:10:47
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Bristol_Jonesey
I don't understand.
For me, the height of track folders always open in whatever state they were saved in, which for my workflow is always minimized.
Lucky you! On occasions I’ve had my 24” monitor completely used up with 5 big headers. Bristol_Jonesey
Once you click on Auto Zoom, you must shrink each folder manually to it's minimum height and they will stay that way from then on
Not for me... If I deselect Auto Zoom and then reselect it, folder heads open back up and sometimes using large amounts of real-estate. ...and i fail to see why we "must shrink each folder manually" I dont understand why they cant stay put :)
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/17 16:13:55
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Jlien X
I reported it to CW late last year (although, in my case I used screensets), and it was confirmed and submitted to development.
Good on you... Is there any uses in me reporting this as well or will that just clog the system?
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/17 16:22:37
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+1 from me on this issue BENT - I too find that particular behaviour terribly annoying! Heres hoping they can address it soon:)
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/17 16:26:55
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Sylvan
By expanding the folder, you have a great place to write down any notes, pertinent information, etc... You can also see info on how many archived tracks you have, hidden tracks, how many tracks of audio, how many MIDI tracks. It is a great feature, very useful.
Hi Sylvan... Where do you "see info on how many archived tracks you have" :)
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/17 16:34:06
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I agree in that I have never, ever, used the expanded folder track to view stuff. But that being personal preference is only part of the problem.
Older projects have a most terrible time with this, they always open with all the folder tracks expanded, and even tracks themselves at seemingly random heights. Even after correcting everything and saving, they still reopen that way. Booo-hiss.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/01/17 16:58:39
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So I suddenly discover I’m not the only person with this issue.
I now feel silly for not posting this issue some time ago (X1) on the forum, but I reported it to CW who told me it was NOT reproducible and I left it at that. Concluded it was unique to my system and/or my lack of understanding of Folders.
Yes wicked… Older project folders expand at seemingly random heights unless you save project with Auto Zoom off and upon reopening project refrain from using Auto Zoom.
Some people may see this as a feature……OK.
But please cake, give an “option button” somewhere to disable this.
I feel better now, and tonight I will sleep well. lol
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/06/02 20:23:16
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I just don’t understand why a folder header isn't the same size on reopening project. If you save project with auto zoom on.
I reported it to CW late last year (although, in my case I used screensets), and it was confirmed and submitted to development.
Hi Jlien... I still have the same problem of folder headers not retaining the saved size on reopening a project, (if project was saved with auto zoom on)... and I'm using X3e. Did you ever get any response back from cake stating if this issue has been addressed? Thanks BENT
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/06/02 20:44:42
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I heard that once a ticket is submitted to Development, even support stuff can't know whether the bug is being fixed or has been fixed until the new update/version has actually come out. If you haven't reported the issue yourself, I recommend doing it because CW are said to prioritize issues depending on the number of reports submitted.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/06/02 21:15:54
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OK thanks for that, I will report this issue.
Personally I find it strange this issue still lingers on seeing it was confirmed and submitted to development.
Surly this is not a big thing to remedy.
I've never bothered to submitted anything to development if it has been confirmed by cake and don't know if your hypothesis is true. Prioritising issues depending on the number of reports submitted leaves a lot to be desired in my view. Just saying.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/06/03 08:56:25
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I too find it VERY annoying that the folder headers don't remember their size when I reopen a project. Having to go through and minimize dozens of folders every time I open one of my projects goes against all the workflow enhancements the X series is supposed to be about.
Where do I go to submit a ticket to development? I'll gladly add my voice to the count.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/06/03 08:59:21
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/06/03 10:53:24
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/06/03 11:55:44
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Plus they're still idiosyncratic in many other ways. In projects I'm working on now if the track I want to drag into a folder is above the folder, it won't target the folder itself. I have to drag the track to just beneath the folder, and THEN I can drag it up into the folder.
Also, sometimes I can't drag a track folder to the bottom of the track view. I have to drag it to the next to last, then move whatever is last above it.
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/06/03 14:21:34
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Oh, and while we're at it why does sometimes putting a track in a folder jump the display to the top, or even more crazy, make the folder jump to the bottom?
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Re: Why do track folders drag expand the actual folder portion??
2014/06/04 20:09:32
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Yes wicked, I too experience all the idios you listed and will reported them to cake.
May I suggest to one and all who suffer from these listed below to reported it to CW as well
- Folder headers not retaining the saved size on reopening a project, (if project was saved with auto zoom on).
- Can't drag a track folder to the bottom of the track view. I have to drag it to the next to last, then move whatever is last above it.
- Putting a track in a folder jumps the display to the top, or the folder jump to the bottom?
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