combining active and passive speakers in home studio

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2014/01/18 16:01:26 (permalink)

combining active and passive speakers in home studio

Currently I have a pair of JBL4311 passive speakers and a little set of Auratone cubes.  I use a Niles speaker selector switch for them, which seems to be transparent.
 
I will soon be adding a pair of Yamaha HS-8 active speakers.
 
I guess for switching between the passive and active speakers, I could leave my current passive setup, but would need a line level switcher, prior to my power amp ??
 
My current setup is: Computer > Layla3g > audio mixer > power amp > Niles speaker selector > speakers (JBL and Auratones)
I'm thinking for new:  Computer > Layla3g > audio mixer > NEW SWITCHER > power amp(to passive speakers)/Yamaha HS-8
 
I suppose I could use something like the "monitor out" of the audio mixer instead  instead of the switcher to go to the Yamahas... and keep my "control room out" that I'm currently using intact for the other two sets of passive speakers (powered by a separate power amp).  However, when tracking, etc...I'll use the aux outs or monitor outs for other purposes...cue mixes, FX sends, etc.
 
A LINE LEVEL switcher that is transparent would be preferred.
 
Also, on an unrelated subject...has anyone used a dbx Driverack in a studio situation?...and liked it?  :-)
 
thoughts?
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    Re: combining active and passive speakers in home studio 2014/01/18 16:08:04 (permalink)
    Also...doing a little research, it APPEARS that speaker level switchers (this Niles unit is rated at 100watts/200 peak), the quality doesn't have to be as "good", as compared to LINE level switchers.  Any comments on that??
     
    Like I said, I don't hear the Niles unit inserted into the line (I've tried it with and without - albeit impossible to do a quick A/B test).  But it appears you can spend as much as you want on these kind of items.  Realizing keeping the monitoring system as best possible within a given budget, I'd not like to get *crazy* with pricing on switchers, etc.

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    Re: combining active and passive speakers in home studio 2014/01/18 18:13:11 (permalink)
    How about just using a line level splitter?

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    Re: combining active and passive speakers in home studio 2014/01/18 18:13:16 (permalink)
    This is what I use to send to my self powered speakers as well as my power amp and speaker systems:
     
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/SwitchWitch/
     

     
    Some folks may say it's too expensive. You can build one yourself. It is just a box with switches and some connectors. I'll guess it's about $100 in parts.
     
    I found it to be a real good value for me as it does the job you have been asking about and it fit right into my rack so it's not in my way.
     
    The passive line level switchers are just simple switches and it would be very hard to not make one 99.9999% transparent if you just use the switcher to listen to one set of speakers at a time.
     
    There is a caveat, if you use this switcher to send to multiple speakers simultaneously you will have a level drop.
     
     
    Here are the guts of my ProCo:
     

     
    You can get an active switcher which will be designed to prevent the level drop when you use any or all of the outputs. You have to be concerned about the quality of the active circuitry. If you are concerned, the price goes up. :-)
     
     
    Some of the speaker level switchers have extra stuff in them to protect the amp when you are switching, so if I was going to worry about transparency I'd be more curious about what is going inside those devices.
     
    best regards,
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    Re: combining active and passive speakers in home studio 2014/01/18 18:15:28 (permalink)
    mixmkr
    How about just using a line level splitter?




    How about the extra outputs on that Layla 3G?


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    Re: combining active and passive speakers in home studio 2014/01/18 18:36:25 (permalink)
    That's an option, and then I'd be doing the switching in my computer, pointing to the outputs. However I use my analog mixer for monitoring control, and the Layla is PRE mixer.   But the more I research, I'm not sure I just can't just use a Y cord.
     
    It would be nice to leave all things the same in my monitor path, and just have a way to quickly switch back and forth between the speakers.  I'm thinking the Y cord, or at the max...a line splitter.  Then if I blow something up, I'll know that wasn't the solution!

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    Re: combining active and passive speakers in home studio 2014/01/18 19:03:16 (permalink)
    That box I showed you is a pair of 4 way Y cords with switches for convenience. The same caveat I mentioned applies.
     
    When you use the term line level splitter what are you refering too? Some kind of Y cord, something with a passive transformer splitter, an actively buffered splitter that looks like a box, or an actively buffered splitter that looks like a mixer?  Each one of those choices will present certain implications.
     
    I'd probably avoid the transformer splitter unless you go to the expense of buying the very best transformers.
     
    The active stuff will vary in quality. Shop to suit your taste.
     
    The Y chord is transparent but if you don't have the switches it's a full time split that drops your level but you can make that up with your mixer as long as the quality of your mixer suits your taste.
     
    best regards,
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    Re: combining active and passive speakers in home studio 2014/01/18 19:08:07 (permalink)
    thanks Mike.   I think I'm getting off easy with the Y cord.  Maybe make my own box with a switch so it is "official".
     
    Thanks for the replies.

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