4partmusic
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I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
I am starting to consider my options for a computer upgrade whether I build or buy is yet to be seen. Is there a benefit to spending the extra money for an I7 processor over the I5. I thought I read somewhere that there were certain features in the I7 in regard to using the cores or hyper threading that made it perform better. Thanks, Terry
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/20 21:39:42
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Not sure if hyper threading works with X3, but I can test this for you tomorrow if I remember to do so.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/20 21:44:14
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4partmusic - if you can't afford it, you can't. But a rule of thumb is if you stretch your budget and getting something that has more power you will lessen the likelihood of being frustrated in the future from lack of power. In other words, go for the I7 if you can. You won't regret it.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/20 21:47:22
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if you're serious about a DAW buy the fastest i7 you can afford... upgraded from i7950 I built 3 years ago to i74930...world of difference. Best money I ever spent. Of course, if you updated/made a sig it would help us know what you're trying to use...
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/20 21:47:37
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It's all about processor speed. Buy the fastest processor you can afford. You'll see that the fastest ones will be the i7 series. Of course RAM will matter also but that's fairly cheap these days. I'm certain many will chime in here with great advice!
EDIT: vastman took the words right out of my mouth!
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/20 21:48:47
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I have a second generation i3 and it works fine for my simple recordings. I'm surprised by how well it's worked out for me. I've had this Dell computer for almost two years now and it's been great. I bought the cheaper i3 computer because my budget was tight. No problems to report.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/20 21:55:11
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I have an I7 980 that can clock up to 4.5 Ghz, but I leave it at 3.4 Ghz undervolted to stop my room from turning into an oven, and it doesn't struggle with anything. This also let me remove several fans from my case to reduce noise, and can remove another three as well but I cant be asked to do so yet.
And that's like a 5 year old processor now that still doesn't struggle with anything while running at stock speed, pretty amazing thing and the longest lasting CPU I've owned.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/21 00:03:19
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To summarize, it really depends on what you want to be doing. For a more serious effort, running more softsynths and fx and expecting to run the latest software and plugins comfortably, go with the i7. I believe the 47xx and 49xx series are currently hitting the sweet spot of affordability vs performance. If this is more of a "let's keep the costs under control" hobby for you, an i5 will still let you run a bunch of synths/tracks/fx without much trouble. It's still more capable in most respects than the Q6600 I used until a year ago. Get a good soundcard/interface, if you don't have one yet.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/21 01:33:07
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FromXP32bit on a dualcore to Win7 64bit on an i7 2600. I'd suggest the most powerful you can afford as the 64bit architecture demands it. The third best CPU is usually the best price/value point. What is the third best i7 now? Or is is an i5? You want to get at least three years from it before you upgrade again.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/21 04:56:35
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I was bummed when my 950 motherboard took a hike... but today's power hungry Diva's and the like were really causing lots of playability issues. The new haswells are pretty reasonable but I decided to future proof a bit and go for the 4930...and it's smooth as silk. Really does depend on what ur gonna be throwing at your DAW...and ur budget... personally it was well worth the money. But only you know where you're at/doing and you haven't told us much if anything since ur original posting... I've periodically used my aging i5 msi laptop with 6 gigs ram to play around and teach my 13 year old daughter who now uses it with an old NI AudioKontrol 1. She's made lots of cool stuff with it. However, it won't play anything I'm working on these days...
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/21 05:59:04
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My X58 had better not die, X58 for life, or until it dies :(
Its unbelievable how good the I7 / I5 CPUs were, even the first gen ones are still going strong.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/21 08:36:14
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☄ Helpfulby Schafe 2014/01/21 08:47:04
Here is a nice benchmark chart with the current price points on the right edge. The fastest i5 on that list (Intel Core i5-4670K) is faster than some of the i7s. You can run around that site to get a feel for benchmark versus costs on many pieces of hardware. I have become a huge fan of the Sandy/Ivy bridge design, specifically the K models on the right motherboards. Out of curiosity, I used their PassMark's software to benchmark my machine recently and my CPU (i7-2600K) came in at 10919, which way outshined their benchmark (8559), and I have mine set to "power saving mode" and runs cool as a cucumber!
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Vab
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/21 21:09:49
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From checking in the performance monitor, X3 doesn't seem to be very multicore intensive, but I only had 4 tracks running together. There's very little out there that gains any benefit from hyperthreading, IMO I'd only bother getting an I7 if you are going to get one of the hex cores, otherwise stick to an I5.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/21 22:56:00
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/23 22:27:58
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Thanks to everyone for the advice. Sorry about the signature and the delay in getting back to the post. I am running a fairly old computer tech wise so I know I will get a big performance boost no matter what I go with. Just trying to make the right decision for extending the machine as long as possible. I basically am a hobbyist singer\songwriter so recording\mixing power not a great need at this time. Was just trying to save a couple of hundred bucks to apply to a new acoustic guitar upgrade. I did finally find this comment in an article on the Cakewalk site that seems to indicate that Sonar does utilize Hypertheading which I don't believe is implemented in the I5 processor is I am understanding correctly. Hyper-Threading - If you have been working with computers for awhile you might recall the initial implementation of Hyper-Threading on Intel processors. A very powerful enhancement at the time, Hyper-Threading has been improved for the i7 processors now making twice as many threads available to the Operating System. Simply, the quad-core i7 processors look like octo-core processors to Windows. This is extremely powerful for multi-threaded applications such as SONAR which can take full advantage of every thread available. Tried to add to my signature but not sure I got it done until I post this. Thanks, Terry
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/23 22:30:49
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Gonna post my Specs here and it will probably show up in the signature line this time. I must be doing something wrong. Windows 7 Home X64 SP1, 2.4 Ghz Intel Core2Quad, Intel DP35DP, Cakewalk Producer X3d, BIAB 2014, Varranger,Tascam US-1800,Mackie MR5 monitors
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Vab
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/24 07:23:10
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Hyperthreading is being over hyped here.
While it looks like you have double the cores in windows, there's still hardly anything that is programmed to use them, and they are even harder for software developers to utilize than actual physical cores.
I wouldn't rate hyperthreading as a must have feature, look for which CPU is faster as a priority, and not just based on clock speed but check reviews, then secondly look for more physical cores.
The time to buy an I7 quad core is if you can afford to buy more than an I5, but don't want to pay more for a hex core.
An up to date quad core I5 CPU is no slouch, and oftentimes outperform I7 CPUs because HT isn't supported by the application in use, and due to not having HT, they run much cooler and can be clocked higher.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/24 09:46:25
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When I built this computer, the first 6-core processors were hitting the streets and this article was where I based my decision (that and I was dead set on an ASUS motherboard due to their architecture and early adoption of USB 3.0). If you jump to the conclusion (page 13 of that article), Intel sort of burned themselves by releasing a 6-core, expensive design while also updating the Sandy bridge architecture. At that time, most software was not even scripted to use all cores, so having 2 more was a waste (with the exceptions of video/encryption software, in general). The bottom line was that the only thing "Extreme" about the 990X was "power consumption and cost." For a DAW, the Sandy/Ivy bridge designs are more than adequate for just about everything (SONAR is scripted to use all threads available quite well as your quote implies). Before any purchase, be sure to research things and ask a lot of questions.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/24 13:00:38
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/01/24 13:16:58
I'd have to search for benchmarks, but I don't think audio programs kill the CPU, it is more about the RAM. That and get an AWESOME interface. I bet if you had a very efficient audio interface and max memory (32GB or 64GB on the newest boards) with new drives, that an i5 would work just fine for MOST of us. That said, I have that old i7950 :P
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/24 17:54:52
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Different plugs and processes affect RAM and CPU differently, it's easy to max out both or either if you would have a mind to.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/24 22:49:11
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/01/25 07:08:34
An i7 is well worth the $100 or so difference in price for comparable speed of an i5. i7's utilize hyper threading and also have a bigger L3 cache. It is a better performing cpu. It should be viable longer than an i5 while getting better performance from day 1. The CPU is the core of the system and bottleneck these days which will ultimately limit the system. RAM, Graphics, Sound can all be updated along the way to extend system life. If I were buying today I would get the Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor. Best bang for the buck in my opinion. And I would lean towards an Asus board with the Z77 chipset. My two cents. Good luck and have fun with what ever you get!
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/24 23:08:38
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/01/25 07:08:49
hockeyjx That and get an AWESOME interface.
Good enough computers are cheap now. Good interfaces aren't. You have to pay for hiqh quality, low latency. So get a good enough computer and a great interface.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/25 02:33:34
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'I7s utilize hyperthreading'.
But very very few programs do, and audio production programs don't appear to be listed among hyperthreaded supported software. You don't get better performance out of the box unless you are specifically using such a program that utilizes HT.
I think that saving that $100 to put towards better audio equipment or plug ins would be better than getting an I7 just for Sonar.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/25 06:51:41
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Not to hijack the thread but when speaking about performance, just how much of a difference would changing your audio interface make to a decent PC system? For example, I'm using an EMU 0404 PCIe and thinking of upgrading to an RME AIO. Can I expect noticable differences in performance with regards to loaded plugins and latency? I'm also looking to upgrade my PC Intel DualCore 2.8ghz, Asus P5k, 8Mb Ram, Radeon Graphics but can't afford to upgrade both at the same time. Much thanks for any advice...
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/25 09:14:17
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I've used an I5 with 8 gigs of RAM on a Windows 7 computer as my main recording rig and had excellent results. You can see the different configs in my signature. Since getting the Toshiba Windows 8 laptop, the HP laptop has been downgraded to strictly an internet computer. I have worked with all sorts of setups through the years and have found that if you spend some time doing just some small tweaks you can get most any computer to work pretty solidly. The main thing as stated before is the audio interface.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/25 11:22:29
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Always get the most powerful you can afford. If you can get the i7, get it. I have used i7 since it first came out and I run tracks counts of over 100 and plugin counts over 100. CJ
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/25 23:22:13
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i agree to get the best you can afford, but I don't have unlimited resources. I built a new system around a year ago using an i5-3570 cause it was about $200 cheaper than an i7 and had lots of great reviews. I had then a Win7-32 system and recently upgraded to Win7-64 w 16Gb ram. I haven't pushed anything yet but I usually stick with 24bit/48khz projects, and now and even before I had no issues with projects with 70+ tracks, and I use quite a few fx and instruments. I do tend to freeze tracks and render tracks to reduce latency and system demands, as well as having archived tracks that I can use years from now.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/26 00:19:10
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☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/01/26 05:22:36
Not sure where you got that information from. Hyperthreading is automatically used by any multithreaded program. There is no special programming required to utilize it other than using multiple threads. The OS takes care of the rest. Vab 'I7s utilize hyperthreading'.
But very very few programs do, and audio production programs don't appear to be listed among hyperthreaded supported software. You don't get better performance out of the box unless you are specifically using such a program that utilizes HT.
I think that saving that $100 to put towards better audio equipment or plug ins would be better than getting an I7 just for Sonar. [/quote
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/26 00:35:19
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4partmusic I am starting to consider my options for a computer upgrade whether I build or buy is yet to be seen. Is there a benefit to spending the extra money for an I7 processor over the I5.
So what do you want to do with you system ? If you just want to record, an i5 will be more that enough and I'd spend my money on a great interface. Think RME, etc. If you want to run a bunch of synths going through effects, you may not need an interface and may need more cpu power. EDIT : just noticed you're a song writer... An i5 will be fine, spend your money on a great interface.
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Re: I5 versus I7 for Cakewalk X3
2014/01/26 11:33:46
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CJaysMusic Always get the most powerful you can afford. If you can get the i7, get it. I have used i7 since it first came out and I run tracks counts of over 100 and plugin counts over 100. CJ
Hi Cj, May I know which i7 model are you using? I am using an old I5 750 CPU and my system can't handle more than 20 plugins and I am ready to upgrade to i7. I am a mainly soft synth kind of composer.
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