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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/05 17:56:37
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AT A lot of people rave about the Eureka - I haven't used it myself. It is a channel strip, so you have a lot more tone-shaping capability and that should keep you busy for a while. And a transformer, which makes a lot of difference. If you get a good deal on It great. If you like it, keep it. If you outgrow it you should be able to get your money back later.
I ended up taking the Eureka back. Nice sounding, but not close enough to be a main pre for what I want it for. I pickuped a ISA One and looking forward to trying that. After I have the ISA up and running, I'll decide whether to add another pre down the road. Maybe one that is more of the tube sounding type (Warm Audio / 610 Solo).
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AT
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/06 11:08:42
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The warm preamp is more vintage sounding and not tube-based. In my experience, it is the transformers not tubes that give most of the sound people talk about. And, of course, the old tube stuff used transformers, too. The ISA is a solid, middle of the road preamp to my ears, and for the price comes w/ a lot of extras you may or may not find useful - headphone, preamp and DI at once, inserts. It rounds out a sound a little w/ the transformer. I prefer the warm to it, but perhaps not for vo work. @
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/06 12:23:24
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I've mentioned this before... My fiance' is on the Morning Show for the local Classic Rock station. As such, we often get calls to cut/re-cut VOs for the station and clients. In fact, while typing this, she just called... and they need a spec spot... and they need it immediately. We use an EV RE-320 into a GAP Pre-73 The RE-320 is a modern spin-off of the RE-20. Similar sound but with more articulate upper-mids Sounds absolutely perfect with no processing... We auditioned a *lot* of different mics before settling on the RE-320 Many LDC, SM7-B, RE-20, etc... and the RE-320 bested them all for this purpose.
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AT
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/06 17:15:06
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Glad to hear your views on the Re-320. It seems like the real deal, but one always wonders. @
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Dave Modisette
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/06 17:54:58
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Jim, thanks for the review of the RE-320. An RE-20 has been on my wish list but they never seem to show up for bargain prices unless they look like they're beat to pieces. I might look at the RE-320 as well.
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/07 09:57:53
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The RE-20 is a great example of a mic that needs a good preamp match to open up and sparkle. I have an old Ampeg radio booth mixer preamp and it has the plug in "can" input transformers. I forget the specific labeling, but I remember when a mentor brought over a particular transformer can and we plugged in to the Ampeg preamp's socket for that channel. It was sort of amazing to hear the RE20 come alive and sound lively. It sounds reserved and safe when you run that mic through a Mackie and it sounds hi-fi and articulate when it runs through the preamp is was made for. :-) Here's some too-much-info for folks who like this sort of stuff:
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/07 10:42:49
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Mike, I still like the RE-20. Reminds me of monster, monster, monster trucks, sans echo. @
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/10 15:39:16
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AT Glad to hear your views on the Re-320. It seems like the real deal, but one always wonders.
Prior to hearing it, I had doubts that the RE-320 would be equal to the classic RE-20. After listening side-by-side, I have no qualms about the RE-320. Very similar character to the RE-20... with a presence boost in the upper-mids and hotter output. With the Ndym magnet, these differences are exactly what you'd expect.
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musicroom
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/10 20:48:58
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Nice microphone Jim! That coupled with the Gap Pre-73 should make for a full sound. You just put that microphone on my list of wants...
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/10 21:04:30
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Starise
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/22 16:16:18
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I have been writing books over at the Techniques forum :) and I figured I had better come over here to discuss preamps since it is hardware.I started to discuss pre amps over there and was getting off base. I love to hear the experiences of others. I read the evaluation on the warm preamp in sos and it seems like a nice unit.Also heard and read good things about the 73. I wish I could twiddle a few knobs on those to see how they sound. A thread like this is very helpful. If there are any manufacturers out there who want an honest evaluation of your gear I would be more than happy to give you my take on it, all you need to do is send me one of whatever it is :) Anyone use older Joe Meek channel strips? They seem to have some solidly built units. There is also the Austrailian company Alctron making the Alctron MP-100 a LOT like the UAD 710 Twin Finity .Neither of these pre amps are highly expensive. A quick look at an auction site might discover a real gem. I decided that my main objective for a mic pre amp was mic good mic matching and decent gain. My main rational being that my mic preamps might be leaving something to be desired. I ordered an ART MPA Pro 2. A step or two above the Eureka I think but a little under something like the UAD 710. I'm telling myself it will be the only pre amp for awhile unless something unforseen happens...like taking a gander at an auction site.
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The Maillard Reaction
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/22 16:58:53
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/24 00:00:44
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I am waiting to receive the new BLA B173 this week and am really hoping that I can recommend them, as the price point is really pretty reasonable if it performs as designed. Should it indeed give us that even order harmonic love, and a ton of life and gain, as touted, we are in for a treat. The BLA gear in my view is staggering in terms of performance (at least their clocks and converters). I like our Auteur 500 series. The guys at BLA are also complete geeks, and good guys. Check out the loopback tests done of their converters (and others) at gearevu.com
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Starise
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/24 09:31:35
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Dave Modisette
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/25 09:17:00
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Starise Anyone use older Joe Meek channel strips? They seem to have some solidly built units. There is also the Austrailian company Alctron making the Alctron MP-100 a LOT like the UAD 710 Twin Finity .Neither of these pre amps are highly expensive. A quick look at an auction site might discover a real gem.
I don't have one of the older JoeMeek units but I own (not the new version) a JoeMeek Twin Q. It has a sound of it's own. I would definitely say colored. Coming from the stock pres in my Soundcraft M12 mixer, it took some getting used to and some experimentation to figure out what to use it for. Now, it's pretty much wired to my Fender Pro Jr amp and my Vox AC 15. You get a nice thick sound with the eq and compression. I've never used it for voice that I remember. I also have a Twin Finity (710) and that's my least colored pre at the moment. Of course, you can dial in the tube on it to get more color. I wouldn't mind owning a four channel version at all.
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Re: Which pre amp should I get?
2014/02/26 14:56:27
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That Twin is Q a very class looking act there Dave. The reason I asked about it is because the newer models apparently are not made the same since the company was bought out. I wondered how big the difference was. Since I haven't gotten too deep yet into anything colored I'm not sure what I'd be getting myself into. It must be one heckuva nice unit to use for guitar. I'm guessing a little heavy in the mids. The Twin Finity looks like a steal for the capabilities it has and I'll admit to looking at the logo too in making that assumption. It might be my next pre. After spending some time with the MPA PRO 2 yesterday I am happy with my purchase. Plenty of gain. I went out into my interface with XLR at +4 from the MPA . Once I had the gains set correctly there was plenty of good clean gain. I thought it was noisy until I realized that the noise was mainly coming from my headphone amp. Driving it high made it noisy but I never intend to drive it that high which would be too much. As it was I had plenty. I am missing a compressor though. I tried vox and then went direct to try bass. I tried to compress ITB but there was too much delay. If I deactivated my other interface channels I think I could get the latency to a better place. The MPA really does well on bass and vox, but I did have to be careful going in not to go in too hot. For bass a simple compressor pedal would work. I didn't really need to compress vox. It would probably work well with any source.Not sure if I'll mod it or not. If it makes a huge difference then maybe I'll drop in tubes, but then I won't know that unless I buy and try the tubes.
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