How can I set up Juno G to use its sounds to record in SonarX1

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2014/01/24 12:12:21 (permalink)

How can I set up Juno G to use its sounds to record in SonarX1

Hi guys,
      I'm Sonarx1 beginner. I'd like to record MIDI on SonarX1 by using sounds such as piano, saxophone from Juno G itself.  I installed Juno G editor, Juno G driver and Juno G librarian but I have no idea how to take/record sounds from Juno G to Sonarx1. I understand about using VST and inserting softsynth but if sounds are in the synthesizer, I don't know how to get them. Help me please..
 
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Re: How can I set up Juno G to use its sounds to record in SonarX1 2014/01/24 12:25:05 (permalink)
You have to take outputs from the keyboard into inputs on your audio interface, and set up audio tracks within Sonar and assign the inputs to those to be the corresponding inputs you used on your audio interface.
 
So: Keyboard outputs (L/R)> Audio interface inputs (1/2 for example)> USB/FireWire into Computer> Audio Tracks in Sonar (tracks 1 and 2 for example) - assign track 1 input to be audio interface input 1, and assign track 2 input to be audio interface input 2, for example.
 
Since the keyboard is external, you have to route its audio output through your interface into Sonar, using 1/4" cables.
 
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Re: How can I set up Juno G to use its sounds to record in SonarX1 2014/01/24 12:44:34 (permalink)
The simplest method is to play the juno as a live instrument, skipping the editor etc (that can come later).  Choose your sound from the front panel of juno.  SONAR can record the playing, and playing back using MIDI.  Depending on the hardware synth, it will use old style midi cables into a midi interface (many audio interfaces also have midi input/output built-in) or USB.  Record and play back into the Juno to make sure that works as advertised.
 
Then you take the hardware audio outputs of the Juno and connect them to the audio line inputs (or mic/line combo inputs) of your music interface.  You can then record your midi performance on the Juno as audio, just like singing or guitar.  Bob above gives a more complete account.  If you give your specs - like your audio interface, we can help more.
 
You can, of course, edit the midi info before recording audio (or after, tho you will have to re-record the audio then).  And you can "edit" the audio, adding effects and volume envelopes or chopping the audio into smaller bits and re-arranging them.
 
Once you've got that part done, you can learn to choose patches from SONAR, edit your Juno from the computer if you wish to bypass JUno's edit panel.
 
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Re: How can I set up Juno G to use its sounds to record in SonarX1 2014/01/24 13:03:38 (permalink)
A quick summary:
 
To record midi and play it back using the sound engine in your Juno:
- Hook up the Juno to your computer using the usb cable.
- Put the Juno in MIDI mode.
- Turn the Juno's local control off.
- Select the Juno midi input and output in Sonar's Midi Device preferences.
- Create a Midi track in Sonar and set the track's input and output to the Juno midi device input and output.
- Make sure the Input Echo on Sonar's Midi track is enabled:
http://www.cakewalk.com/Documentation/default.aspx?Doc=SONAR+X2&Lang=EN&Req=Playback.34.html
 
 
 
To record the audio output of the Juno:
- Set up the audio interface in Sonar's audio preferences.
- Plug in the left and right output of the Juno into an audio interface.
- Create an Audio track in Sonar and set the track's input and output to the corresponding audio interface ports.
 
You should refer to your manuals for the specifics.
 

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Re: How can I set up Juno G to use its sounds to record in SonarX1 2014/01/24 14:35:07 (permalink)
Just a note, Do not set the input and output to the same device while recording MIDI or you will get a loop back. This can result in recording a layer of mulipule midi notes.
 
Example:
I record the audio output of my Yamaha DX drumset.
It uses USB for midi comunication.
To record I set the MIDI tracks output to my Tascam MIDI out which is not used.
When I'm finnished I will swicth to the Yamaha as the output, or use a soft synth.
 

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Re: How can I set up Juno G to use its sounds to record in SonarX1 2014/01/24 15:32:41 (permalink)
Johnny, that should not be an issue. The only way a loop would be created is if the external synth is setup to have its Out function as a Thru, and that should be optional.
 
It's much preferred to have the MIDI I/O of a keyboard synth assigned to the same track so the keyboard can act as a controller of its own sound module via MIDI Input Echo - no switching should be required to go directly from rehearsing to recording to playback.

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Re: How can I set up Juno G to use its sounds to record in SonarX1 2014/01/24 18:03:32 (permalink)
Also, If the synth supports merging of midi data where it combines data received from the midi in connector with locally generated events and sending that to the midi output, you will have a feedback loop. The Juno synth does not have that ability so its not an issue.
 
What can happen is that notes can get doubled on the audio output. The doubling of notes can happen if the synth is both responding to local control and the midi in port generating two notes for each key played. That is why in my instructions I added a step to disable local control.
 
 
 
 
 

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