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2014/01/25 13:09:22 (permalink)

What hard drive should you buy?

Thought I'd post this here because questions about hard drives and Sonar come up fairly frequently - some nice info about brands and reliability. 
 
http://blog.backblaze.com...rd-drive-should-i-buy/

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/25 13:33:34 (permalink)
For a Os drive 256g ssd : Samsung 840 Pro Series 256GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Drive (MZ-7PD256BW)   or
                                   : Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" SATA 6Gb/s Solid State Drive (MZ-7TE250BW)
 
For data drives              : Seagate Constellation ES.3 1TB 3.5" SATA3 7200RPM Hard Drive
Part no: ST1000NM0033
 
 
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/25 18:10:10 (permalink)
Oddly, the data shows Hitachi as most reliable and Seagate as least reliable, but the author sums up by sayng they will be going with Seagate.  So, I am not sure what the message is here.

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/25 18:24:16 (permalink)
I guess reliability isn't everything.....

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/25 18:37:49 (permalink)
I have a 128 Gb SSD for windows and sonar, 512 Gb for games, and recently got a pair of 4 tb seagate HDDs due to my 2 Tbs getting full.

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/25 18:58:51 (permalink)
The operational use of a drive also plays a great deal into its expected life. Server banks versus PC usage are dramatically different. Google published a similar, more comprehensive, study in 2007, which was also based on server usage of drives, but they also defined "failure" as "the most accurate definition we can present of a failure event for our study is: a drive is considered to have failed if it was replaced as part of a repairs procedure." People running servers treat drives as expendable, so at the first sign of "anything," they will swap it out (i.e. "fail" it) just to be safe and keep server banks online.
 
There are a lot of nuances that can play into "reliability" of a HDD, so the operation and maintenance of the drive also take a large part in this. Many of the drives mentioned were not designed specifically for server usage, they were designed for desktop usage. Very different environments, so take papers like this with a grain of salt.
 
I don't want to delve too deeply into this, but the big thing to steer clear of has already been mentioned in many threads... "green," low RPM, and drives not SATA III stay clear of... the reason the heads in those drives are there is because they do function, just not at the data rates needed for 7200+rpm.
 
Edit: As far as SSDs, the above recommendation is sound (Samsung 840 Pro Series)... check out the benchmarks of the top SSDs and the price point at the right!! Shop wisely!! (or risk paying 20 times for something half as fast)
 

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/25 19:05:39 (permalink)
2 and 4 Tb drives were initially released at 5400 RPM, I've been through a pair of both and not had issues.

7200 RPM was no longer important as I was using SSDs for anything that needed speedy loading.

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/25 20:44:39 (permalink)
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Oddly, the data shows Hitachi as most reliable and Seagate as least reliable, but the author sums up by sayng they will be going with Seagate.  So, I am not sure what the message is here.

I noticed while looking at the Annual Failure Rate graph that the Hitachi bars (the red ones) although shorter, have higher numbers. At first I thought fewer Hitachi drives were failing when I interpreted the graph visually, but then looking at the numbers, it seems more like they're failing four times as often (or perhaps four times the data is being lost) as WD.
 
What's mysterious to me is that they aren't going with WD Red which, according to their data, are the most reliable drives; perhaps it's because of the cost. I've always had good luck with WD, even after they were bought out by Maxtor and various places I've worked have used nothing but WD. I've used nothing but WD Black drives since they came out, although I'd be using the Reds if I had the dough.
 
Interestingly, though, one of my WD Black drives did die, a first-generation 1 tb model. It was under warranty, so it was replaced at no charge and the replacement has been working fine for over a year. It must be 2nd generation.
 

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 00:08:59 (permalink)
I always used to buy Samsung drives, but they were bought by Seagate. WDs are significantly more expensive though they have longer warranties.

I'd like a larger SSD to replace my 128 Gb, but I spent my PC budget on Sonar X3 so it wont be happening for a while, but the longer I wait the better I can get.

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 00:45:05 (permalink)
 
I'm not sure where you want to go with this, nor where everyone else is going...
 
For an SSD, why not go with the king, Intel ?
 
For hard drives, as far as I'm concerned, WD is the top of the heap.  VelociRaptor for the extreme, black for the rest.
 
Hard drives are so cheap now, it's ridiculous.
 

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 00:49:44 (permalink)
Paul P
 
I'm not sure where you want to go with this, nor where everyone else is going...
 
For an SSD, why not go with the king, Intel ?
 
For hard drives, as far as I'm concerned, WD is the top of the heap.  VelociRaptor for the extreme, black for the rest.
 
Hard drives are so cheap now, it's ridiculous.
 


intel SSD's are money
, your paying for the name

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 01:16:20 (permalink)
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intel SSD's are money
, your paying for the name




Well, you got to admit that that name is worth money

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 04:06:45 (permalink)
Not really. When it comes to memory based products crucial, Samsung and several other brands are much better quality than Intel.

For many of Intel's CPU generations, they also tried making their own motherboards. They were consistently vastly inferior and made rubbish motherboards compared to Asus, Gigabyte, MSI and many other manufacturers.

Intel make good CPUs. And that's about it. Anything else they make is easily bettered by manufacturers with superior experience and products.

Names alone aren't worth any money when it comes to PC hardware, this isn't fashion.

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 07:57:23 (permalink)
What hard drive should you buy?
 
The one I bought, of course.
 
Hitachi has always been reliable for me, tho at the moment I'm using Western Digital.
 
Personal experience agrees with the Hitachi vs. Seagate dual. I've had several Seagates go belly up. Even had to have one sent in for the dreaded $1500 recovery ploy. Two days after I got it, it went belly up and had to be replaced too. OUCH! No More Seagate! They have the best warranty (5 years) but you'll need it.
 
Some warranty tidbits for you. If you send one in to be replaced with a new one, you will NOT get a new one. Common practice for computer companies today is to give you a repaired or "factory refurbished" replacement. This means you may be trading in you problem for someone else's problem, as happened to me with a printer once.
 
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 19:47:57 (permalink)
I really doubt they replace HDDs with one that someone else sent in that was also broken.

I've never had any issues with getting replacements for dead hardware including two Samsung HDDs.

HDDs are the most likely component in your PC to fail, having two die is nothing.

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 20:34:35 (permalink)
WD makes a great enterprise drive at 7200 rpm.  http://www.newegg.com/Pro...x?Item=N82E16822136579
 Great for storage.  
SSDs for C drive and sample libraries.
I still like WD raptors 10,000 rpm for actual recording drive
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 20:40:32 (permalink)
Seagate drives seem to come with 2-year warranties these days, though they used to be 5-years.
 
As long as backups are good, one should be OK, other than to stay clear of the green ones.
 
I happen to continue to use Seagate - I have had more WD drives go bad than Seagate, and the Seagate folks will pre-ship a replacement that arrives in 2-3 days, then you have 10 days to return the failed one.
 
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 20:41:19 (permalink)
Seagate DID send refurbished drives to me on 2 warranty replacement occasions.
 
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 21:19:52 (permalink)
Yes indeed the Samsung SSD are THE recommendation to follow!
 
But check out their latest refresh: The SSD EVO!! Quick Google search will show you how much faster AND cheaper than their previous series. Most reviewers drool over them and place them at the top of just about every SSD categories.
 
I have recently placed 3 of them in my system. One for OS (250GB), one audio (250GB) and one for VSTs(500GB). Since then, EVERYTHING is flying and never see any kind of peeking in Sonar monitor window... Also added a Western Digital Red 3TB for storage (excellent rating for speed and quietness).
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/26 22:18:51 (permalink)
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I really doubt they replace HDDs with one that someone else sent in that was also broken.

 
By they I am not talking about vendors, like Newegg, who have no choice but to replace your defective unit with another "brand new" item. Instead, I was referring to manufacturers' warranty policies. Call any manufacturer and they should confirm it, even if reluctantly.
 

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/27 04:28:42 (permalink)
I sent my drives directly back to Samsung, and several dead video cards back to the manufacturer and got brand new replacements each time.

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/27 04:30:18 (permalink)
Also regarding RPM and performance, check out this benchmark:

http://www.tomshardware.c...0dm000-4tb,3494-3.html

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/27 05:02:24 (permalink)
Samsung ssd 128 gb for os here  and 2 WD caviar black 640 gb 
with 64 mb cache or so. Using samsung and seagate  hd ´s I had
some outages.Still use my first WD hd, must be about 10 years,but not
in the main box.Solid like a rock.
 
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/27 10:34:04 (permalink)
I agree,,..WD Black...Are good Drives for the money, and the company stands by their customer base with their warranty, and upgrade policies...I sent in a few drives over the years, and got back same, or better in returns.
So In that regard, I hold them in highest regard, and only use WD Black at the moment.( I am trying ssd )..Although I do not like the usb 3 my books or passports drives, and am thinking Lacie for that, or better thunderbolt next time around.
 
Seagate have had a lot of issues in past years..I know they tried to solve them kind of late in the game of technical returns in R&D failing to test or fix or read the comments of why those drives were being returned by many customers. 
 
I have seen my brother pulling out his hair, and sending back, and sending back, what they recent him over, and over and over again as replacements of the same crap...till enough people complained that the drive was defective in build quality or controller rev being buggy with ide and then sata...etc
 
Now I believe, they are playing the cheaper costing drive game, to regain lost customers.
 
Not saying their drives are unreliable now...But do I want to switch over, and take that chance?...Nope!...I found my huckleberry!
 
Yes, the WD RED Drives would be prudently suggested to get, if you are into Video or audio work, as a more reliable go to for that extra peace of mind, in build quality for a few dollars more!...Maxtor was a big R&D Drive company that was bought out by WD...So they have the plant, the R&D, and the technicians who care about the products they build and sell...
 
I see Seagate is also trying to get in on that server market, with those constellation drives?....Well Good luck Seagate!...I have no Idea about their return policies, or how they conduct that sort of thing, and or customer service...But my Brother does!...He now is a WD user....wonder why?
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/27 20:24:45 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby mettelus 2014/01/27 20:35:22
Be a little careful with Blackblaze's stuff. Their environment is a little different from what most people have and their data does not match with mine. Now while they use more drives than we do, I still work at a pretty large enterprise and see a lot of drives. One thing Blackblaze claims is that enterprise class drives don't see any lower failure rates. I see the opposite, I see much lower failure rates with them. They are probably the only origination that claims that consumer grade drives have the same failure rates as enterprise grade.
 
And besides, we all know that SSDs = bettar than :D.
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/27 22:48:40 (permalink)
I have several Western Digital drives that are still going strong after nearly 8 years of use. The only 2 cases of drive failure that I have ever experienced were both with Maxtor drives.
 

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/28 01:11:24 (permalink)
I use Seagate HD exclusively and never had a HD failure to date, probably the best HD and highest rated HD there is. I also had Failed HD with Maxtor
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/28 09:18:29 (permalink)
I believe it's simply a matter of they all make good stuff sometimes, and they all make bad stuff sometimes. Like Chevys and Fords, you never know what day yours was made on, how happy or crappy the guy assembling it felt, how many times it was bumped, dropped or test driven before you bought it, and so on. If you could oversee the assembly of everything you ever bought from start to finish you'd probably never buy a defective item.
 
Now with 3D printing you CAN!
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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/28 11:20:07 (permalink)
From a practical perspective, desktop HDDs do not see the same environment as a server HDDs. Desktop drives are intended to run cooler (especially at the head), and doing a defrag with full optimization after loading major programs and data sets is probably the easiest method to prolong life. This consolidates data (especially static data that may never change in the life of the drive) into contiguous files which not only minimizes "wear and tear" from excessive seeking, but also improves performance for the same reasoning.
 
That said, do not defrag an SSD, they are not the same beasts in any way.
 
 

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Re: What hard drive should you buy? 2014/01/28 12:00:53 (permalink)
For platter drives the WD Black and Red are where it's at.
 
For solid state the Samsung Pro's and EVO's are great as well. I love my 840 EVO 250GB.

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