caminitic
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Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
OK...I know latency is covered pretty frequently around here, but this is a first for me. Brand new project...some effects in my tracks and buses from the template I use...nothing too CPU intensive...start recording guitar through Amplitube...slight delay when I'm playing live...play it back...track is recorded about 8-10 ticks early (I'm using 120 ticks per quarter note). Even when I disable other effects, the guitar still records early.
X3...quad capture...latency measured at about 5ms roundtrip...
Any ideas why it's doing this? Thanks y'all...
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/27 22:23:41
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Are you using PDC override? Some latency adjustments are made by plug-ins themselves, so this may be playing into the situation as well.
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caminitic
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/27 22:51:19
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No...not using PDC...tried that back in the day with pretty crazy results...
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/27 23:16:12
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When recording by default SONAR will adjust the recording start time by the device's reported ASIO latency. This setting is in preferences. I don't remember but think its in the sync tab.
If you are playing and trying to manually adjust to any lag heard by rushing its possible that the compensation is being applied twice, once by you and once by SONAR :)
It can also happen if the device is incorrectly reporting its latency for some reason.
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 05:30:04
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What happens if you hit the 'E' key on your computer's keyboard, and then listen to playback? This will toggle on/off the Bypass of All Effects. (when done testing, hit 'E' again to enable all the effects again).
This will let you know if one or more of these plugins is causing the timing problem.
Also, what Driver Mode in Sonar are you using?
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 06:13:01
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Do you have input echo on?? I used to get this all the time with input echo switched on I think what happens is that you automatically compensate for the lag by playing the note slightly early so that you hear it fall on the beat Then when sonar applies the compensation the note is moved slightly infront of the beat hence slightly early I now have input echo switched off and split the guitar signal sending one to sonar and one directly to the speakers, so I hear the guitar with very little latency- It works for me! If you do not have input echo on disregard my mumbleings
post edited by godino - 2014/01/28 06:26:18
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 07:46:51
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Latency compensation can be turned off in preferences if you prefer to compensate manually :)
Generally while tracking its advisable to use the lowest possible latency and bypass all delay compensated effects. Or alternatively use direct monitoring on your audio interface if it supports it.
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 11:37:40
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
It can also happen if the device is incorrectly reporting its latency for some reason.
Unfortunately, this is quite common.
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 13:54:35
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Yes I have input echo ON so I can hear the actual tone coming out of the virtual amp...kinda defeats the purpose if all I'm hearing going in is clean DI signal unless I'm missing something...and would that actually change any of the timing?
@Craig - how do I check if the reported latency is accurate? Right now, my Play/Rec buffers are at 1024 and my "ASIO Reported Latency" is 1295 (seems kinda high to me...but what do I know...). Also, for some reason, my Full Chase Lock is checked, with Timing Offset to 88ms. Could that be responsible at all?
Thanks
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 14:00:45
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The OP has "X3...quad capture...latency measured at about 5ms roundtrip..."... where is the ASIO latency of 1295 coming from? For recording live that would make things "unbearable."
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 14:15:32
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Is the Octa capture or Quad capture known for this ?
This gentlemen mentions a quad capture and I have a octa capture. My timing is not great, but I am usually late not early and often I see my playing as early.
Is there a way to know for sure if this happening ?
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 14:21:38
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This describes a process for testing the accuracy of the reported latency
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 14:25:19
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mettelus
The OP has "X3...quad capture...latency measured at about 5ms roundtrip..."... where is the ASIO latency of 1295 coming from? For recording live that would make things "unbearable."
Yes...tell me about it!!! Come to think of it, I think I also need to "nudge" my MIDI parts into the proper alignment before quantizing them, as it would quantize to the wrong division! Lots of jazzy sounding parts I never meant to play. Ha! Should I just try to uncheck the "Use reported latency" box? And also...small edit...I meant to say my roundtrip is about 25ms (forgot the "2"...sorry)...still pretty quick!
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 14:32:15
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caminitic
And also...small edit...I meant to say my roundtrip is about 25ms (forgot the "2"...sorry)...still pretty quick!
Not nearly low enough for through the DAW monitoring. You want to shoot for about 1/2 that or better somewhere in the less than 10ms range.
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 14:42:31
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Just to be clear (since I have confused myself now)... Are you saying that the number at the bottom of Preferences->Audio->Driver Settings (the "Round Trip Number") does not match the number at the bottom of Preferences->Audio->Sync and Caching (the number to the right of "Use ASIO Reported latency")?
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 15:07:19
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No it matches...it's just that I wrote 5ms by accident instead of 25ms, would I imagine would be BLASING fast...
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Re: Guitar with a latency lag, yet recording early?!?
2014/01/28 18:51:13
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with a latency that high you probably will be picking early because it is not natural to hear the note slightly behind the beat. If its possible try switching input echo off and playing the same guitar part against the backing, listening to just the natural sound of the gutar see if that improves your timing?
post edited by godino - 2014/01/28 19:12:41
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