Is it possible to send MIDI track out to Session Drummer 3?

If I understand what you are trying to do, you have midi data on a midi track, and you want to use Session Drummer 3 to play that midi data.
 
You need to connect the dots between SD3, a midi track, and one or more audio tracks, to be able to hear/record drums with SD3.
 
Given that you already have the midi data on a midi track, once you have SD3 loaded with the desired kit in the synth rack, you will need to (this is just a simple example):
 
1.  Insert a stereo track for the drum sounds to be heard.
2.  Set the Input for the audio track for drums to the stereo output from SD3.
3.  Set the Output for the midi track with the drum data to SD3.
4.  Hit Play
 
Give the above a try and post back, 
 
 
Bob Bone
 

Ok Reading through both posts here, provided lots of clues - I got it to work for me..
 
1. I have Midi track with drum instructions,
2. I send Midi track out to CW TTS Soft Synth (SS) track. 
3. The out of the CW TTS SS sends out to SD SS Instrument track. 
 
I can now select a kit from the program in SD and send Midi to it via CW TTS SS..
 
Still not sure why I need to have the CW TTS in the middle though - its the only way I can get it to work...

Yeah I tried what Robert suggested but didn't seem to work - once I added the CW TTS in between midi and SD, I'm now able to select a kit in SD and works... not sure why what Robert suggested didn't work for me - its what I expected from how the other synths work - SD for me doesn't behave the same as the other SSs??? I'll keep digging though to see why its behaving the way it is for me..
 
 

I think we need now a detailed description of how you insert SD.
It's very straightforward procedure, clearly (IMO) described in the help files and tutorial (#4??).
 

I have NO idea how in the world you are setting things up - by all means, please detail EXACTLY how you have things set up.
 
Bob Bone
 

Sounds to me like the OP is trying to record MIDI performance data to a MIDI track in SONAR (essentially using it as an old-school sequencer like Cakewalk 5.0 for DOS) while using the sounds in SD as the target to produce the audio output. Makes perfect sense to me, but I've never tried it, yet. In other words, he's looking to fire SD like a MIDI sampler, maybe?
 
That is certainly something I would try if I didn't have access to a live drummer, or didn't use simple loops or patterns for a scratch drum line like I often do. This shouldn't be hard really - as I was doing it in Cakewalk 3, 4, 5 in DOS back in the 90s using a MIDI drum machine as the target of the MIDI performance data.

Hi All,
 
Thanks for all your responses - I'm totally confused now...
 
It was late in the evening yesterday and I thought I was able to select a different kit with the way I had it setup - I must have been tired because when I try now to do the same - the kit is still the same - I also noticed in the synth rack the session drummer icon was not the same as the icon in the session drummer track in track view, but was the same as the CW TTS Synth track...
 
Ok so what I am trying to do is use some old midi file, it has some drum data in it.  If I use the CW TTS Soft Synth it sounds too digitized - not good enough.  I am hoping to use SD3 in this case to get a more realistic sounding drum kit.
 
I'm expecting the Session Drummer Soft Synth works the same way that CW TTS Soft Synth works.  That's is, with CW TTS I drag it from here:
 

 
Then in the Midi track OUT select the CW TTS Soft Synth Track to listen to the midi drum
 
Can the same procedure be used for Session Drummer? - I tried several times and I get no sound, I don't even see the level indicator in the session drummer track receiving any data but do see the level indicators in the midi track working..
 
Hope that make sense...
 
BTW I use to have an old windows version of Cakewalk, I can't remember the version of it as it use to be on an old Windows XP PC - I have a backup of it but the ntbackup utility used in XP of the bkf file is no longer supported in Windows 8 (I might extract from the setup CD of WinXP the ntbackup utility or maybe setup a virtual Windows XP so I can again access the backup file and install the OLD Cakewalk Software).  So I think a lot of my concepts are taken from the old cakewalk software.
 
Jim

WRT the old MIDI file, there may be data in the file TTS-1 can process or ignore which are causing Session Drummer to go silent. It may be necessary to edit the MIDI track in the event view and remove non-note data from the track.

For the audio tracks, either let the Insert Soft Synth dialog box add them, or I had included manually adding them in my earlier post in this thread.
 
In any case, I can get output from SD3 in a matter of less than a minute, doing it all manually, so I do not understand what the issue is.
 
I think enough folks have weighed in on this that it would help for the OP to review and respond to a bunch of posts, as all we can do is speculate (and when one speculates, they make a spec out of, er, em, never mind)
 
Bob Bone
 

The file worked fine after I removed the first six lines of non-note data in the Event view. There are two  RPN, a wheel and 3 control instructions at the beginning of the track.

As I indicated earlier, the setup of Session Drummer is the same as any other soft synth. Like TTS-1 it can have multiple outputs. And just like TTS-1 not all outputs need be used. The reasons for the template suggestion were:

• To guarantee the synth was setup correctly.
• To illustrate how to use a template for a multi-out synth. Many find templates a convenient and time saving approach for inserted synths like Session Drummer.

 
To insert Session Drummer from the browser or menus:
1) Drag or insert the synth into a project
 
2) From the "Insert Soft Synth Options" dialog select

• "Instrument Track" or
• "MIDI Source" and "First Synth Audio Output" or
• "MIDI Source" and "All Synth Audio Outputs: Stereo"

3) Add samples to Session Drummer, either a program, kit, or individual instrument sfz or audio files. Also, if working with multiple outputs, use the drop downs at the bottom of the Session Drummer mixer to assign the instruments to an output.
 
Then import the MIDI file. In this case, open the MIDI data in the event view and remove the 6 lines at the top of the view.
 
There are a couple of videos at http://www.cakewalk.com/CakeTV/SONARU.aspx/Master-Class on Drum Production which may be of interest. The videos use a pre-X series version of SONAR but have updated subtitles for the X series.
 
Last month a series of Session Drummer templates were made available which include effects http://blog.cakewalk.com/free-quick-kits/
 
 

There are two basic type of tracks, Audio and MIDI. There is a third type which may be used with softsynths, called an Instrument track. An Instrument track is a hybrid of an Audio and a MIDI track. It sounds like the SI-Bass template uses an Instrument track. MIDI data goes into the Instrument track and the Instrument track will playback the audio. It is possible to split an Instrument track into it's Audio and MIDI tracks by right-clicking the Instrument track strip and selecting "Split Instrument Track". It is also possible to create an Instrument track from a related Audio and MIDI track pair by right-clicking either track strip and selecting "Make Instrument Track".

OH! Hang on - I armed the track and hit play and it works!!!  I now unarm it and it still works! So something by arming and disarming has flicked the track on...
 
So all working now - Would like to know why, so that it helps me further understand this behaviour...
 
Jim

Ok I see - so even though I cleared the events at the beginning in the midi - seems the arming may have reset the engine...