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Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise Gate?
Just installed Sonar X3 using a Samson mic. Recording voice on the audio track. There's a constant light humming sound in the background. I was told that the Noise Gate plugin would remove it. But what setting will do this? The options are countless. Can anyone help please?
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 11:58:11
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 12:02:03
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Yes. But I need *the settings* for the noise gate to make the background humming go away and still hear my voice. If there's another solution other than the noise gate, I would like to hear it, but when I called CakeWalk tech support, they said use the noise gate. But they couldn't give me any information on what to set it to. Thanks.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 12:08:11
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There are a variety of solutions to noisy recordings. Sonitus has a couple of EQ settings for 50 and 60 cycle hum, or use a volume envelop or gate. The gate settings depend on the noise itself. Third party products like iZotope RX3 do a good job. Before attempting to fix recorded noise, the best fix is the one that does not need to be done. Fix the source of the noise. If this is a USB microphone, get a different microphone which does not attach via USB would be the answer, possibly a different cable or recording location.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 12:15:00
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Not going to remove the mic from the usb. that's what the mic is for. Just need the right noise gate settings. that's what it's for. also, what EQ setting should I set it for? Surely someone has recorded their voice and gotten rid of the humming using an Samson usb mic. Hoping those folks will see this. thanks!
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 12:21:41
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Scook is right. You need to get rid of the noise at the source. That means stop using a USB mic. A good audio interface with a decent mic wont cost all that much but it will serve you well.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 13:04:54
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I understand that using a different mic other than a usb is the easy, quick fix. However, I just bought this usb Samson mic and I love the ease of just plugging it into my computer and using the sonar software to record. CakeWalk told me that the noise gate plugin will resolve the background noise; I just need to know what settings to use for the noise gate. So I've got my fingers crossed that someone here has used the noise gate with voice recordings (or other recordings) and can tell me what to set all the settings to. Thanks.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 13:13:12
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☄ Helpfulby Studious 2014/01/29 16:16:42
I think the tech support person might have been confused - noise gates don't usually remove a specific type of noise from your recording, they just cut out the signal when it drops below a certain level. So, when you're talking, you'll still hear the hum in the background, but when you stop talking, the hum (and all background noise) can be reduced to zero. To set the latter up, you just need to play with the threshold setting on the noise gate, and tweak that to strike a balance - too far in one direction, and it'll cut off your speech, too far in the other direction, and it'll let too much of the noise between sentences through. If the gate offers an "attack" value, set that to the minimum, and if it offers a "release" value, something like 200ms is probably fine. If you want to be able to remove the hum from everything, whether you're speaking or not, the best tool for that - assuming you can't fix it with the microphone - is a parametric equaliser. Use a spectrum analyzer (I forget if Sonar contains one, but SPAN is free if not - http://www.voxengo.com/product/span/) on the channel to see what frequency the humming is at, then use an equaliser to reduce that frequency.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 13:20:22
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Agree with everybody here 1000% Maybe this (rather shakey) video will help? http://youtu.be/QyOBq824K5c although it uses a different DAW you might be able to adapt. I sped through it but basically it looks like he is using notch EQ (Sonar equivalent would be quadcurve in the prochannel). Consider buying an SM7B! :)
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 16:18:34
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Start with EQ (hear me out): use the high pass filter, and sweep it to the highest frequency you can without affecting the vocal tone. This can often kill a hum very effectively. If there is any hum left, THEN try the gate. But that's only to kill noise where there is no vocal (between phrases). - Focus on the threshold: turn it back and forth slowly to find where it starts dropping your signal's volume between vocal phrases (careful not to kill sibilants, necessary breaths, etc).
- Then mess with the range/ratio to affect how much it drops your signal.
- If you want to go deeper, mess with the attack/release to adjust for any weirdness with the gate acting too slowly or quickly (pumping, or too much residue).
There is no "the setting" because they're different for every source. If you learn the basics, you can apply it to any material.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 16:30:03
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I hate to have to tell the OP this, but a noise gate isn't going to help with the hum, because technically "hum" isn't background noise, it's electrical interference. You're either going to have to find the source of it, and kill it (figuratively of course) or you're going to have to become very proficient at notching it out with an EQ and then hope that your notch is narrow enough to leave the remaining audio in decent shape. Edit: Since you seem determined to use a USB mic, have you tried recording to your machine while it is unplugged? Unless of course you're using a desktop...I use a laptop, which can of course run on battery. Most "hums" are caused by AC and aren't as prevalent from DC in my experience.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/29 16:35:22
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The question is what frequency is the humming sound? Might not be 60Hz as some may think here. If it's higher than a steep notch may work too without effecting the voice too much. USB microphone not the way to go, they are rather useless actually. I mean in this case it is generating an unwanted sound. A downward expander might be better on voice so that even low level nuances will still get through. A gate can be a bit hard in its operation. It is still a band aid approach though. The humming sound should not be there to begin with.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/30 12:32:49
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I started to try the EQ but learned that no matter what I do while recording, it makes no difference. I've put the volume up, the gain up, tested all sorts of options with EQ, but nothing changes. What am I doing wrong? What do I need to do in order to get these changes to actually work while recording? thanks.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/30 12:36:32
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The DAW records tracks dry. Software effects can only be applied after recording.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/30 12:38:27
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wow. so I can't set the volume levels or gain levels or anything else before recording so that the raw recording is louder?
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/30 13:23:35
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scook The level is set at the interface. Here is the signal flow diagram http://www.cakewalk.com/D...amp;Req=Mixing.07.html
Right, and is a very important concept. The OP has to consider that Sonar can't control the level before it hits the A/D converter. If its too loud at that point its too late to fix later. You have to adjust the level at the source.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/31 01:44:48
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trailblazer wow. so I can't set the volume levels or gain levels or anything else before recording so that the raw recording is louder?
You have to understand that the signal coming into the computer is controlled by the device it's coming from. It doesn't change the fact that you have to find out what's causing the hum. Quality recordings start with quality signals being recorded. If a stage of that chain is broken in some way then like any chain, it will on lynx be as good as it's weakest link. You can certainly raise the level of the signal but any inherent flaws will also be raised. That's actually your complaint. There's a hum which may not sound very loud but by the time you record and raise the level of your signal you will invariably increase the noise as well. That's why folks go to such extraordinary lengths to get a clean signal.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/31 09:39:05
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I am very sorry if advertising hype, CSI or tech support gave you the wrong impression. No software can change a noisy mic into a non-noisy one. You can lessen the effect and if you are lucky enough to have the hum be isolated to a single frequency, perhaps filter out the noise, but you will never create a signal as clean as if you had started with a clean signal to begin with. Using a USB mic with a program as powerful as Sonar is treading into oxymoron territory. Would you buy an expensive new home and put plywood doors on it? Would you buy a BMW and put a $25 generic stereo in it? I doubt it. Many USB mics come with entry level software because the primary use of such mics is podcasts and musicians who use such recordings as a scratchpad to be re-recorded later. I understand that you may not have the budget at the moment to replace the mic, but if you can, it is a good idea. You have too much money invested in Sonar to ruin your recordings at the source. Sonar is great but no DAW can take a bad signal and make it pristine. With that said, I concur with others that said that EQ or some other form of filtering is likely a better solution than gate if it's a hum. The defining control on a gate is threshold and odds are good that the threshold of the hum is going to overlap some of the signal you actually want. I would do a classic eq notch sweep first (short explanation, make a narrow notch in the quadcurve EQ and turn gain way up so that any changes are noticable and then go up and down frequencies until you isolate the hum) and then reduce as much of that frequency and harmonics before any attempt at gating. Another option is to try noise reduction plugins. Try the free one on audacity first. There are expensive noise reduction plugins like rx3 that will do a great job but it seems insane to me to actually plan to use noise reduction on every recording in advance when you can fix the problem at the source.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/31 12:00:21
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In the Sonar Power books by Scott Garrigus, he has an example of setting up an AC noise filter that hits the 60 cycle noise and the harmonics. Your noise could be 120 hz or some other multiple of 60 hz so you would need to notch the signal at more than 1 frequency. It's only a band-aid type of solution you would use to save something you can't do over. As all the others have said, fix the noise at the source. You may have a faulty mic that's generating the noise and it will never work properly. If you just bought the mic, take it back and try another if you have no way to get something using balanced lines.
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Re: Recording Voice with Sonar X3 - humming sound in background - how do I set the Noise G
2014/01/31 15:35:00
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Just messing around with R-Mix. If you had X2 you could play with that. Place the shape on the field and move it around to find the hum and pull it out. It's a pretty cool tool. To bad that it's no longer a part of Sonar 3 since it's a Roland thing.
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