Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer?

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2014/01/31 05:29:20 (permalink)

Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer?

I am very well endowed with vst synths but my CPU has it's limit. It is a Core i5 750 Quad Core (1st generation) at 2.6Ghz speed. So I can't run more than say 20 plugins or softsynths. I am considering overclocking my CPU but I have no experience in doing this. A search in Cakewalk's Forum turned up nothing. 
 
               So before I do anything stupid (like frying my CPU), I would like to seek advice or experiences from fellow Sonarians. To do or not to do? How should I do it? Or should I just forget about overclocking and spend a grand on a new motherboard and a new i7 CPU.
 
               I am primarily a home studio/pianist/keyboardist composer that rely heavily on vsts and effects plugin and so faster CPU speed is crucial to me.

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    elsongs
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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/01/31 05:40:49 (permalink)
    Overclocking is as 1990s the Macarena and Mambo #5.
     
    Computers are fast enough these days that overclocking is unnecessary. Even gamers (who pioneered OC'ing) don't ereally do it anymore. Do the upgrade. You will have to upgrade anyway.
     
    If you use your computer for CPU-intensive activity (video editing, DAW, gaming), you should have started with an i7 in the first place.

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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/01/31 07:23:35 (permalink)
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    Overclocking is as 1990s the Macarena and Mambo #5.
     
    Computers are fast enough these days that overclocking is unnecessary. Even gamers (who pioneered OC'ing) don't ereally do it anymore. Do the upgrade. You will have to upgrade anyway.
     
    If you use your computer for CPU-intensive activity (video editing, DAW, gaming), you should have started with an i7 in the first place.




    Agreed, unless you really know what you are doing, avoid overclocking, and whatever you do don't get somebody else to do it for you.
     
    > the Macarena and Mambo #5
     
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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/01/31 07:44:49 (permalink)
    I also run an I5 750, and do often overclock to give a bit of a jolt to some programs, however, Sonar does not seem to benefit at all in regards to how many or how well synths, plug-ins or playback/recording actually works.
    Overclocking you CPU will basically add a slight amount of speed to opening/closing of Sonar and said synths and plug-ins, but once the program is up and running you will not see much, if any at all, benefit by upping your clock.
    This particular CPU is one of the most stable, well made pieces of silicon that Intel made and will run Sonar just fine, stock standard.
    There is plenty of life left in an I5 750, if you want to upgrade you will see some improvements if you choose Ivy Bridge or later, but realistically you would be better served, at least as far as Sonar is concerned, by making sure you memory requirements and audio hardware are taken care of first.

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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/01/31 08:13:25 (permalink)
    I have an overclocked Q9550 and it works great. However, once I upgrade to a I7, I'll probably just run stock speeds.

     
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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/01/31 09:00:30 (permalink)
    I have got an intel - 6 Core i7 overclocked 4.5GHz …works great!


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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/01/31 09:28:48 (permalink)
    I have OC'd mine to 4.5GHz as well, but it's also an i7-3770k and in my motherboard BIOS, it does have a built in Nick Shih OC profiles which do all the adjustments automatically (voltage, timing, etc...). The menu gives me options between 3900 MHz and 5000 MHz in 100 MHz increments to OC my i7-3770K.
     
    Since I don't really know too much/enough about OC'ing and didn't want to fry my board as well, I chose this MB as it made OC'ing quite simple in chosing a stable profile.

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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/01/31 09:46:17 (permalink)
    I have an i7 3770k on an ASUS Sabretooth MB that is so easy to run at 4.2 GHz (rather than 3.5) it seemed dumb not to do it. As a quarter of the available space in the case is taken up by the cpu cooler I have no issues with heat .

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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/02/01 20:20:47 (permalink)
    Thanks everyone for their input. I guess I would need a CPU with 3 times the speed compared to my current I5 750. My situation is I tend to maxed out my CPU power first before I maxed out my RAM. I am very much inclined to go for the "upgrade route". It's either AMD 8350 or i7 3770. The AMD I heard is cheaper and the i7 is very popular among the good folks at Cakewalk forum. Hmm, this is an occasion for a new thread.

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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/02/01 21:38:07 (permalink)
    Intel always more reliable as software gets tested on it more, that is all :)

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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/02/01 23:15:25 (permalink)
    AMD 8350 is a better value compared to the i7 3770.  You could use the $100+ difference on RAM, software or a higher end board.  If you are into video editing the 8 cores are nice.
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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/02/02 09:09:20 (permalink)
    I have the AMD 8350 and I love it. Rock solid, no issues. 

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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/02/02 12:41:59 (permalink)
    My first suggestion would be to possibly consider freezing down the synths and only having those synths that you are using, unfrozen. This would probably help a great deal. Also limit the amount of plugins for eq and such that you use until the very final stages of mixing, this way you concentrate more on talouring your sounds to the frequency range, rather than having to go back in and eq the crap out of them, using more time and cpu power in the process.

    I would also suggest reading up on disabling services that run in windows in the background, stealing valuable cpu cycles. Also things like speedstep/C1E/C-States which may benefit you if you disable them. This will bring your base system resource usage to a bare minimum, so that your audio progs can utilise as much as possible without out any hiccups. But please as said, read up on it all, including your mobo/bios manual, cross reference with experiences online. You'll find this alone will boost your available power and reduce any glitchiness.
    Oh, and make sure you back up before any changes and then also write down every thing you do, so you can trace your steps backwards if you start to notice issues.

    I am currently in the process of rebuilding my daw and using tools like DPClat and Latmon, Windows ADK xperf, I am all ready getting my system down to 26 active processes at base start up, which is around 15 less than a standard un-modified windows install. I've still got loads to disable including networking (still updating everything, drivers for all chipsets and updates for programs downloaded) so this will drop a few more. It frees up ram, cpu cycles, reduces pagefaults, ISR's and dpc spikes which will all help in their own way.

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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/02/02 14:23:24 (permalink)
    I overclock my Phenom II 965 and I have no issues.  However I'm sure Sonar does not benefit in any real way from my 0.4GHz overclock.  If you're running out of CPU horsepower with the amount of plugins you have, in my opinion, no amount of overclocking for your CPU will help, realistically.  You might get one or two more plugins working but you run the risk of instability.  In my opinion, if your CPU can't handle what you're throwing at it, then you should freeze tracks as suggested or maybe consider a complete system upgrade. 
     
    I have no stability issues with my CPU overclocked, but its overclocked so I can play games on my computer.  There are a number of tricks as outlined above to increase your computers ability to handle what your doing with Sonar.  I'd try those first.
     
    I upgraded to an FX-6350 and I had no change in Sonar.  That's because what I do in Sonar doesn't stress it at all.  When I upgrade again I'll buy the fastest CPU I can get for about $200 - whatever that may be.  Sonar for me works with my 2008-era AMD CPU and I have no plans on stressing Sonar beyond that.  I upgrade for games.  I play games on my Sonar machine because I use Sonar in cycles for personal music - I don't professionally "produce" anything.  If I was to be more of a professional music producer I would go Mac or a separate DAW computer that I don't overclock.
     
    As I'm sure you're aware, you cannot "upgrade" from an AMD to an Intel without changing the motherboard.  You need to figure that into your cost.  I considered upgrading from my Phenom to an Intel but I'd have to get a new CPU (obviously) plus a new motherboard with it's associated costs.  Instead I spent $139 on a new CPU and I got a tangible benefit in my games. 
     
    As far as AMD vs. Intel, it's 6 of one, half dozen of another.  I've always used AMD.  If I wanted the ABSOLUTELY FASTEST COMPUTER at any cost, Intel is the only way to go.  Period.  However, I have never built a computer with cost being irrelevant.  So that is why I choose AMD.  If you are going to produce professional music and must have the fastest computer possible, and Intel I7 is probably your best bet. 
     
    For me, I just compare an AMD Fx 8 series ($150) CPU upgrade to an Intel I7 upgrade ($300 CPU plus motherboard) - it's no question the AMD CPU is cheaper.  But it's clear in all computer literature, that the Intel series CPUs are faster in almost all cases.  So that is your decision to make.
     
    You have to figure if an Intel CPU upgrade will even work on your motherboard - if not you'll have to upgrade the motherboard (and possibly the RAM) as well.  In my case I bought a new CPU.  In your case that might not be such an easy task. 
    post edited by overkiller - 2014/02/02 14:31:05

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    Re: Has anyone done any overclocking for your DAW computer? 2014/02/03 08:14:46 (permalink)
    I OC'd my just slightly.
    I too have an OC-ing option built in but did loads of reading and tweaked mine manually. Much more stable that way.
    Not needed but I just wanted to play since it was my first build.
     
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