Near-Field Monitors

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2014/02/02 13:22:21 (permalink)

Near-Field Monitors

I'm refocusing my efforts towards more studio-based work as opposed to all live work.  I've got a nice pair of M-Audio BX5 monitors but they lack punch on the bottom end and I find I'm over eq-ing the bottom.  What is a good pair of near fields that stays reasonably flat.  I'm thinking 8" woofers or maybe 10", but I don't want to kill my hearing.
 
Thanks for the input. 

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    lawajava
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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/02 13:29:12 (permalink)
    I'm about to push go on my purchase of KRK VXT 8s.  I've been researching monitors for the past several months while I've been trying to save up some funds to be able to make a purchase.  I see all sorts of complimentary messages about other monitors so there are choices for sure.  I just like what I've seen and heard on the VXT 8s.  And, I use the Focusrite VRM Box and it has the VXT 8 as one of the monitor choices.  So I'm looking forward to having a headphone option that is "calibrated" (well, simulated) to what the monitors are supposed to sound like.
     
    The combination of having KRK VXT 8s, the  Focusrite VRM Box, and a pair of KRK headphones seems to me like the way to go for me.

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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/02 15:16:09 (permalink)
    http://www.equatoraudio.com/D8-Coaxial-Studio-Monitors-p/d8.htm
     
      I blew a tweeter in my KRK v8,s   so I took a chance an purchased these .
    They have amazing range ,  In my room they are flat down to 30 hz  while the V8's  started 
    dropping off at 50 hz .    The clarity in the mids and highs  I am also very impressed with, 
    ( My room is treated very well)    Lots of good monitors out there  but these are great bang for the 
    buck , plus the return policy is amazing.
         
     

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    lawajava
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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/02 16:10:37 (permalink)
    David,
     
    Fascinating that you blew a tweeter.  You must have been cranking it.
     
    An extra note that I forgot to mention in regards to the research I've been doing on near-field monitors.  Even though I'm looking for what I hope will be "objective" and "honest" sound from monitors, what appears to be the scene amongst people commenting on monitors is that they are very personally attached to their opinions about their monitor choice.
     
    Meaning to say, it seems that whichever set of monitors that someone selects (and there are a good number of choices), that person will likely think they are great and the other monitor selections are less great.  I've seen quite a few posts or review notes where the person praises their own set of monitors and highlights some lesser quality of another monitor.  It seems instead of there being an "honest" and "objective" set of monitors out there, instead there are monitors that appeal to your ears for one aspect or another, and comparative listening is good to find a set for your personal tastes.
     
    With all that said, and without demeaning other brands, I'm leaning toward the KRKs and thinking that my mixing will get better as a result of having them versus what I do now, which is mix entirely using headphones (which I know is a bad thing).

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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/02 16:54:03 (permalink)
    You might want to hear these:
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/LSR308
     

     
     
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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/02 18:02:26 (permalink)
    Wow, the JBLs are on sale.  That gives me something to consider.
    Thanks guys for the info.  I appreciate it!

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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/02 21:50:20 (permalink)
    8" woofers will greatly extend the low-end response over your current speakers. 10" and larger is, IMO, overkill for nearfields.
     
    You might want to consider adding a sub instead of replacing your existing speakers. That'll be a quite a bit less-expensive way to achieve the same result. Plus you get to retain the speakers you've already invested time training your ears to.
     
    Take a look at M-Audio's BX10s, an affordable but competent 10" subwoofer.


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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/02 22:36:05 (permalink)
    I love my Yamaha HS8's , I have owned and worked with  KRK Rokit Rp5's, M audio BX8a's and these are flatter and truer than either by far.

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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/03 22:09:43 (permalink)
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    David,
     
    Fascinating that you blew a tweeter.  You must have been cranking it.
     
     




    I did a stupid for sure:) (long story ) by the way the KRK v8  were fine  monitors , they translate very well.
       I am sure the new version are even better. 

    David F

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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/04 12:59:25 (permalink)
    I've narrowed my choices down to the Equator D8 and the Presonus Sceptre 8.
     
    I prefer a coaxial loudspeaker, and an 8 inch woofer seems to be a good compromise for my current listening space, and my initial listening tests (on a noisy trade show floor) suggest that both of these are honest, with pleasant FR anomalies and excellent imaging.
     
    So now it's down to setting up a time when I can have both of them in the studio for a full on audition...

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    jacktheexcynic
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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/05 21:03:41 (permalink)
    i will share my monitor story:
     
    i own a pair of behringer truths with the 8" woofers. i've had them for years. in my old space - a large, basically empty living room in open floorplan house - i had bass traps set on the floor (half-height on the wall) in 3 of the corners and one against a wall opposite my recording space. i would mix and mix on the "truths" (hours, days), and found that the mixes translated poorly on my stereo (in the same room), in my car and on my headphones. these terrible, cheaply made monitors were ruining my life! i finally gave up on mixing and concentrated on writing, singing and playing.
     
    then i got married, moved and ended up putting my studio in a tiny 9x10 bedroom. i dragged in my bass traps and equipment, got some sound/light absorbing curtains, some artwork, and kept my wife's "idea board" because somehow it made an audible reduction in the room's flutter echo characteristics. having no other room, i stacked the bass traps on top of each other (floor to ceiling, and with such a short ceiling the bottom trap is at a slight angle). i set up my "truths" on their mopads and continued not to record.
     
    one day, inspiration struck and i put a song together - wrote it in a couple hours and laid down the tracks in a couple more (2 takes of vocals total). since i was writing it for my wife, i had to get it at least presentable. so i prepared myself for endless hours mixing, referencing (stereo now in another room), mixing, cursing, etc.
     
    instead i spent perhaps 4 hours total mixing it until i was happy with it because no matter where i played it, it sounded basically the same. phone speaker to home theater system.
     
    what are the 3 most important things to consider when buying a pair of monitors?
     
    your room, your room, and your room.

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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/06 00:30:53 (permalink)
    And I think the point that Bit makes about spending time with any monitor and learning them is truth.  Of course if they are not great monitors this will take longer. But I think any well known make will do the job in the right space.
     My next set will be the Yamaha HS8's 
    They will take less time for me to re-learn than most. There's nothing wrong with my NMS10, all my mixes translate the first time to any system,, but I'd like to go with Powered  as a second pair. Besides they're white cones... that's important right!  :) 
    post edited by Cactus Music - 2014/02/06 00:33:22

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    Re: Near-Field Monitors 2014/02/06 16:12:13 (permalink)
    jacktheexcynic
    what are the 3 most important things to consider when buying a pair of monitors?
     
    your room, your room, and your room.



    Great story. One I'm sure many here can relate to (including yours truly). You were fortunate (or wise) to avoid the path of trying to spend your way out of the problem. By the time I truly understood the significance of room acoustics, I had already invested a lot of money in speakers with improvement that was nowhere near commensurate with the amount spent. 
     
    Of course, after fixing the room I was glad to have those good speakers. But without taking acoustics into account, it's money down a hole.


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