Need help bussing drums

I'm using Addictive drums and I've set it up so each drum is being output to a separate channel. I'm now trying to arrange my bussing according to this video: maybe some of you have some across it but I'm not sure if it's all relevant seeing as I'm using addictive drums.
 
Basically I have all my each drum being sent to their own bus (in case I have more than one kick etc) and then I have each of those buses sent to 'drums' bus, which in turn is being sent to 'Drumsmaster,' which will house both it and some parallel compression later. Wish I could upload you an image but I can't on here.
 
Now, for some reason when I turn down the drums bus it doesn't bring down the volume of the drums, even though I have all the separate drum buses routed to it.
 
Also, when I try and change the fader on the kick bus, again nothing.
 
And should I be sending track 17 somewhere? This channel was created when I first inserted AD (as those of you who use AD will know) and it's the main channel where you program your midi information, 1-16 being all the separate outputs. But I don't know where it fits into the equation.
 
It also created two more tracks when I dropped in AD that I'm not sure about - Bus L+R.
 
Basically I just need some busing tips. I'm happy to wipe all this and start again. Please help the poor noob busser :)
 
Alex
 

Ahh yeah thanks, that makes sense :) So I'm wondering if I need a separate bus for drums at all...

wisebaxter442
So I'm wondering if I need a separate bus for drums at all...

 
The most common reason for routing your drum vsti's (BFD3 in my case) out to your sequencer is so that you can use either your sequencers or other third party effects.
I hardly ever use effects other than the ones that come with BFD3 as there are so many of them and I generally find it quicker to use them within BFD3 but having said that, I always route them out to sonar on the off chance that I might use my other effects and also because when I'm mixing I prefer no to have to go back and forth from one mixer to another.
 
Back to addictive drums though, I would definitely route it's separate tracks into sonar as IMO the fx in addictive drums are not good.
 
Steve
 
Edit, Reading your question again it occurs to me I might have misread or misunderstood.
When you say, a separate bus for drums, I took it to mean, or can I just do all my mixing in AD's mixer, is that what you meant ?

The two mains in AD are similar to the Bus in AD (except the Bus in AD outputs to the mains in AD).  If you set up AD as a simple instrument track, the mains in AD are what get fed into Sonar.  Again, you would probably mute them because you are doing all of your routing in Sonar.
 
If you wanted to apply affects to your entire drum mix, you would apply them on your Drum Bus in Sonar.
 
The reason the tracks in the right side of the AD mixer are stereo is because each of the drums has some panning applied to it to spread it in the stereo field.  In order to preserve that panning, the overheads, the bus and main outs in the AD mixer have to be stereo outs.
 
I like to think of everything in terms of mono.  When you record a stereo source, it really is just 2 mono sources representing the left and right channels.

For whatever the worth, I use custom kits I create in Battery 3, where each kit piece is routed to its own stereo pair of outputs.
 
In Sonar then, I have a track folder with all of the audio tracks for the kit pieces in it.  I have multiple drum buses set up: 1 for Kick, 1 for Snare, 1 for Toms, 1 for Cymbals, and 1 for hi-hat, all of which then get routed to a main Drum Bus.  Another bus is set up for parallel compression.  (Edited to add that I don't have overheads because all of my drums are done with Battery 3, though I will be exploring the new Addictive Drums with X3).
 
So, each audio track for each kit piece gets routed to the appropriate bus, then all of those buses get sent to a main drum bus, which itself is then routed to the Master Bus.
 
The multiple buses for me give me control by groups of kit pieces, so I would have a general volume level and common effects for the Toms, for example, and I also have the main Drum Bus to control overall drum kit volume and all of that.
 
Here is a link to a pretty informative video by some Cakewalk folks, on getting good drum mixes:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VH9W1MD80kk
 
Bob Bone