MickyD
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ASIO Driver Settings
Hi Folks, I am experiencing a slight delay effect when recording and monitoring directly out on my Roland Quad interface on a channel with the echo button activated. I looked at my driver settings on the Quad and notice that the "use ASIO Direct Monitor" check box is not checked. Does anyone know if that might make a difference when I "monitor" off the record channel in Sonar? I hope this question makes sense. I can offer more information about the Roland Quad settings. I would really appreciate some help in getting the monitoring issue cleared up. Thanks, Micky D
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/06 14:38:46
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SONAR does not support ASIO Direct Monitoring. If you want to direct monitor via the interface, you need to manually disable Input Echo on audio tracks in SONAR.
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MickyD
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/06 15:05:15
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That is very helpful. But how can I get reverb applied to the record channel for monitoring purposes? Seems like it will only work when the Echo button is enabled. I'm sure I am missing something in my Sonar education. :-)
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/06 15:21:04
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As long as your buffer size is low enough, you can use the echo button and run through a reverb plugin. Since you are hearing a delay, this suggests your buffers (and therefore your latency) is set too high. Go to the drivers section in Edit/Preferences and try adjusting your buffers to get 5 ms or less of delay.
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MickyD
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/06 15:26:40
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neirbod As long as your buffer size is low enough, you can use the echo button and run through a reverb plugin. Since you are hearing a delay, this suggests your buffers (and therefore your latency) is set too high. Go to the drivers section in Edit/Preferences and try adjusting your buffers to get 5 ms or less of delay.
I opened Sonar and went to Edit/Preferences, but the mixing latency area of the dialog box is dithered out...no adjustments can be made there. Current time showing is 11.6 msec. Hope to find a way to change it.
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/06 15:31:09
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Are you using ASIO drivers? You can click on the ASIO control panel and set the latency there.
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/06 15:40:40
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Sidroe Are you using ASIO drivers? You can click on the ASIO control panel and set the latency there.
I think I'm getting somewhere now with your input. I just looked at the ASIO Panel and it brought up my Roland Quad settings window. Under the driver settings there is an "Audio Buffer Size" slider with numbers from 1-10. Currently it is set at "7" and 512 samples. It appears that "6" is the default setting at 256 samples. I wonder if that change will make a difference?
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/06 15:43:36
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I thought you were saying you were hearing a delay/echo between the direct-monitored signal and the input-monitored signal from SONAR. If you're not direct-monitoring through the interface, and it's just that input monitoring latency is too high, then, yes, setting a smaller buffer size in ASIO Control Panel should do the trick. 128 samples would be a good starting point.
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MickyD
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/06 16:00:01
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Thanks guys, I'll give your suggestions a try. I bet it will make a huge difference! I'll let you know how it works out.
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/06 18:01:37
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@MickyD - once you do change that ASIO Buffer Size setting, you can go to Sonar's Preferences>Audio>Driver Settings, and you will see that your reported latency values have changed. Please post the latency values after you make the change to get the ASIO Buffer Size down to 128. You want to shoot for a Total Round Trip Latency value of at or a little less than 10 milliseconds. Bob Bone
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/07 09:00:36
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I set the latency at the default setting of 6 in the Quad driver settings. That gives me a 256 sample rate and a latency time of 5.8 msec. I think I'll try that on my next recording project which should be done in the next few days. I hope that will do the trick. If not, I'll move it down to 128 sample rate and give that a go. Thanks all for the input!
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/07 09:45:14
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MickeyD - your TOTAL Roundtrip Latency will still be high enough to cause some latency issues. The value you reported (5.6 ms) is the value for input latency or output latency. Running at 128, MY input and output latency values are each 4.7 ms, BUT my TOTAL Roundtrip Latency is 9.3 ms. While what you reported is part of the equation, but it is the total roundtrip latency that needs to come down to around 10 ms or a bit less. Bob Bone
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Re: ASIO Driver Settings
2014/02/07 09:47:21
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By the way - I don't know if he is still running it, but one of the best bass players on the planet, Jeff Berlin, has or had a music school near Tampa. If he is still there with that, by all means look it up. Incredible musician, and I would imagine any student performances would be well worth seeing. :) Bob Bone
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