Console /Controller for X3

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2014/02/09 07:55:44 (permalink)

Console /Controller for X3

I'm looking for get a new console/ controller for X3 that works well... integration into pro tools would be a plus but not required. read many threads any one care to share there real world working setup?   I do have some great hardware pre-amps and effect.
I just really missing the knobs and sliders for the channel strips and Vsts
Budget is 5 to 10k for this part.

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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/09 09:58:12 (permalink)
    Hi,absolutely Allen & Heath,for me is awesome and conpletely integrated with Sonar.
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/10 09:05:56 (permalink)
    +1 on the A&H GS. I have it's baby brother the ZED-R16 and if I could justify the expense I'd have the GS in a heartbeat.
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/10 09:21:40 (permalink)
    you might want to check out the steven slate raven touchscreen consoles. saw him demo at aes, wow. 2 models...
     
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/10 09:30:37 (permalink)
    aerogel
    I'm looking for get a new console/ controller for X3 that works well... integration into pro tools would be a plus but not required. read many threads any one care to share there real world working setup?   I do have some great hardware pre-amps and effect.
    I just really missing the knobs and sliders for the channel strips and Vsts
    Budget is 5 to 10k for this part.

    Thanks
     
     
     
     


    Are you looking for a mixer or a Control Surface? Your post seems to be about a CS. There is only one that can do what you are asking and that is the Mackie Control. 
     
    Edit. The OP would like PT integration and as far as I know only the MC has it with HUI mode.  
    post edited by John - 2014/02/10 12:30:11

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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/10 10:09:14 (permalink)
    There is a nice 24-channel control surface from Mixed Logic.
     
    Here is a link to it:
     
    http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/M24/
     
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/10 12:21:59 (permalink)
    The new X Touch (wait until about 25 sec in) from Behringer looks promising.
    Lots of features without the Mackie price tag. I have the BCF2000 and it has held up well, and it works.
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/10 13:44:02 (permalink)
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    +1 on the A&H GS. I have it's baby brother the ZED-R16 and if I could justify the expense I'd have the GS in a heartbeat.


    I have to chime in also for the A&H.  I have the R16 also and have heard nothing but really great reviews about the GS R24M. From what I understand, it is compatible with PT.
    As FBB stated, This is on my wish list of things that if I could, I  already would.

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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/10 22:17:18 (permalink)
    Just trying to keep this fresh - obviously the VS 700  C & R is a thing of the past - want to off load mine before it is totally worthless.   Anyone else recommending any other Control Surfaces / Mixers for Sonar X3 Producer.

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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/11 07:47:03 (permalink)
    Thanks guys 
    The  Allen & Heath looks very nice and sounds nice problem is I have already invested in out board tube gear Avalon Grace etc so looking for more Control Surfaces..As for the Slate between this along with his Virtual Mic system I would have gone this way if it was start up, looks like back to chaining control surfaces. have not had a chance to look at the Mixed Logic...My number one concern is with all of them is functionality with Sonar X3 
     
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/11 09:18:50 (permalink)
    Touchscreen ?
    I love my 23" Acer. A 27" would be better. I mounted it like a control surface.
    No drivers or special software needed (if your on Windows 8)

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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/11 11:22:30 (permalink)
    I like the idea of touch screen, but really love the feel of real faders and knobs. Too much time behind a console, I guess! lol
     
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/11 14:15:25 (permalink)
    MixedLogic M24, best one out there when it comes to Sonar. Outstanding piece of gear!

     
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/11 18:19:08 (permalink)
    aerogel
    Thanks guys 
    The  Allen & Heath looks very nice and sounds nice problem is I have already invested in out board tube gear Avalon Grace etc so looking for more Control Surfaces..As for the Slate between this along with his Virtual Mic system I would have gone this way if it was start up, looks like back to chaining control surfaces. have not had a chance to look at the Mixed Logic...My number one concern is with all of them is functionality with Sonar X3 
     




     
    The GS is an all in one interface & control surface with motorised faders (if you buy that version) as well as a dedicated MIDI area with knobs, buttons, transport controls etc. If I had your budget it'd be a no-brainer for me and I'd sell my other outboard gear including my MCU & XT.
     
    The routing flexibility that even the ZED-R16 has is superb - all them other toys and controls of the GS must be heaven.
     
    If you want CS only the MCU is pretty good especially if it gets full functionality back. At the moment access to the PC control is limited. - I'm using my ZED for that via ACT.
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/11 18:33:02 (permalink)
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    The new X Touch (wait until about 25 sec in) from Behringer looks promising.
    Lots of features without the Mackie price tag. I have the BCF2000 and it has held up well, and it works.


    yeah I saw this as well and apart from the wait till shipping it looks like we can all go back to a hands on experience. Good on em!
    Of course so long as the motorized faders are quiet and it works well it'l sell like hotcakes at that price. I want one, "the compact"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y00EOrLkpVQ
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/12 21:33:29 (permalink)
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    The new X Touch (wait until about 25 sec in) from Behringer looks promising.
    Lots of features without the Mackie price tag. I have the BCF2000 and it has held up well, and it works.


    yeah I saw this as well and apart from the wait till shipping it looks like we can all go back to a hands on experience. Good on em!
    Of course so long as the motorized faders are quiet and it works well it'l sell like hotcakes at that price. I want one, "the compact"  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y00EOrLkpVQ




    Oh yeah, gassing for that X-Touch!! $599! If it plays well with X3, my old MCU will be history. The best part is the transport section/scrub wheel are all in the same area and position as the MCU. Another Mackie killer on the way (hopefully).

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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/13 00:03:42 (permalink)
    I think that Mackie just let the MCU rot as a product - and has been milking it for quite some time. You really need only to look at their product line-up vs past years.
     
    I can only speculate as to why, but a lot of gear companies have managed to get behind the eight-ball. I suspect that many of their (current?) owners leveraged the hell out of them and had to curtail development during a downturn and still haven't quite recovered. So much for Wall Street thinking...


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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/13 06:37:39 (permalink)
    Well, I look at it like this.
    After alot of opposition from the competition and the obvious design rip offs early on it stands to reason Behringer will get a few products right.
    Here down under gear is expensive and Behringer have done alot to make gear affordable for those starting out but to be considered professional there are some things you don't touch. 
    But the knock on effect has been to keep all gear in the market at more reasonable costs.
     
    When you look at their 32X digital mixer and a few other lines including  they bought out some reputable brands you can see they got some serious R&D happening.
     
    But like most am wary as I have bought some crap Bass and an Accoustic  modeling pedals from them that didn't stand my rigorous use and got screwed by the company that sold em to me as they went out of business keeping the broken units and never replaced them under warranty. Okay we're talking $140 all up but still it leaves a bitter taste in your mouth.
     
    On the up side some better built stuff has lasted over 10 years. A couple of UX weighted midi keyboards and a tube pre amp and a V verb unit that is getting classic recognition. Oh and a AHA8000 that gets some love.
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/13 07:53:29 (permalink)
    I think Behringer have missed a trick not having separate branding for their more pro gear. The X series stuff is really very impressive.

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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/13 07:56:50 (permalink)
    Regarding consoles and controllers and so on, I'm getting very interested in this:
     
    http://www.softube.com/index.php?id=console1
     
    Bit different in that it's not a DAW controller at all. You insert the Console 1 plugin into every channel, and it then becomes your channel strip. Ships with an SSL 4000 emulation, can be expanded with other Softube plugins.
     
    Sort of falls short in that it doesn't have any transport controls. That combined with something with some faders and a jog wheel and so on could be pretty cool though, I think.
     

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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/13 08:11:25 (permalink)
    I just looked at the Softtube Console 1.
     
    Faders not there aside, it only allows control of its own Softube plugins.
     
    This is from their Q & A page:
     
    Q: But what about the plug-ins I own from other developers?

    You can still use them just as you did before, insert them in your DAW and mix with the mouse. You can toggle on/off the Console 1 On-Screen Display with a dedicated button on the hardware, so just turn it off to see your DAW windows again. Working like this, you will get a workflow that is very similar to an analog studio. Console 1is your mixer and centerpiece, and the other plug-ins are like your outboard rack effects that you patch in and adjust separately. Console 1 makes your workflow easier, it doesn't take anything away or lock you in.
     
    Q: So I can't use other developer's plug-ins within the Console 1 system?
    Not currently. We'll see what happens.
     
    Interesting concept - I think as currently implemented, it would distract me and be a bit cumbersome, in having to switch back and forth for controlling other plugins, as well as the faders.
     
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/13 08:28:20 (permalink)
    Yeah, it wouldn't suit all ways of working for sure.
     
    I've got a v700, and what I find is that I use the channel strip control knobs for ProChannel EQ and compression, and generally use the mouse for most other things. So I'm already more or less working in a Console 1 sort of way. On that basis, I find it quite appealing.
     
    I also like the fact that, as it's actually not a DAW controller, you're not having to deal with shaky DAW control surface support. This, I think, is of particular relevance to Sonar users, as at the moment, Cakewalk have basically quietly abandoned control surface support.
     
    This is something a bit different; a combined hardware and software channel strip. I think it's a really interesting approach.

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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/13 08:36:58 (permalink)
    I have used a Behringer FCB1010 midi foot board for years now, and the thing is as rugged as it gets.
     
    I have also had some cheapo mixers from them that just quit working after a while.
     
    I suppose it depends on which line of products you are looking at with them.
     
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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/13 08:49:03 (permalink)
    I just set up my old YAMAHA Pro 1 desk which has been gathering dust for over a decade to control the Console and Pro Channel in X3....

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    Re: Console /Controller for X3 2014/02/14 11:57:50 (permalink)
    Uh - oh - time to take over the world again, eh Dexter?
     
    Cool, glad you thought of that, and that it worked - I suppose you were pacing yourself, for those 10 years?  :)
     
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