dannyb00
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[Solved] Another Mixdown Question
Ok, I know there has been many mixdown questions on this forum and I've searched far and wide but still don't find a clear answer. Everytime I mixdown the results are boomy and muddy. I don't get what I'm doing wrong. I've even selected one track for mixdown and still get the same problem. This is driving me crazy! I would immensely be grateful If someone could help me out on this one.
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/14 22:42:00
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Your question opens a plethora of more questions. What does it sound boomy on, your monitors or your car stereo? WHat are you using for monitors? Are you hi pass filtering tracks that don't need low end? Have you put a spectograph on the tracks to SEE what frequencies are hot? What is it that is boomy? which instruments,,, Audio? Midi?
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dannyb00
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/14 23:38:35
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Thanks for the reply.... In my project, the mix sounds good through speakers and headphones. As soon as I mix down to audio the mix sounds boomy through the same monitors and headphones. This has never happened before and I for the life of me can't figure what I'm doing wrong. I even did a test with a stereo music track. • It's peaking at -3.0 absolutely no effects • I select "File" "Export Audio" I select WAV • Source (Tracks) • Sample Rate (44100) • Bit Depth (16) • Dithering (Triangular) I even deselect "Fast Bounce" When done, double click my file and it sounds boomy and muddy.
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 00:18:37
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I recommend the mixing videos as well as the videos on EQ and compression at Groove 3. I think you'll find your answers there as it's a huge question on what could be going on with your mixes.
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 00:25:22
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Guitarpima I recommend the mixing videos as well as the videos on EQ and compression at Groove 3. I think you'll find your answers there as it's a huge question on what could be going on with your mixes.
I agree 100%. But what I'm having a problem is having a track sound one way then when exported to audio sounds a different way through the same speakers and headphones.
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 00:27:08
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dannyb00 Thanks for the reply.... In my project, the mix sounds good through speakers and headphones. As soon as I mix down to audio the mix sounds boomy through the same monitors and headphones. This has never happened before and I for the life of me can't figure what I'm doing wrong. I even did a test with a stereo music track. • It's peaking at -3.0 absolutely no effects • I select "File" "Export Audio" I select WAV • Source (Tracks) • Sample Rate (44100) • Bit Depth (16) • Dithering (Triangular) I even deselect "Fast Bounce" When done, double click my file and it sounds boomy and muddy.
try selecting "what you hear" from mixdown options.
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 00:55:00
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Well, if a mix sounds different than a bounce, something is wrong in the bounce (or mix, but since that sounds good you want to replicate the so called "problem.") @
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 01:20:16
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Dannyb00
Do you use busses? Do you have a master output in your routing?
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 01:36:12
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OK, I tried selecting "what you hear" from mixdown options. I even swapped my Line 6 UX2 to the Focusrite Forte interface and still the same problem. Now, for example.... Am I wrong to say that what you hear in your headphones coming from sonar should sound the same when it's mixdown to audio?
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 01:38:56
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There must be some type of FX on a bus or on the master. Do you have any tracks hidden that are still active?
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 01:41:14
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dannyb00 Now, for example.... Am I wrong to say that what you hear in your headphones coming from sonar should sound the same when it's mixdown to audio?
No your not wrong. Try a different project. Make one real quick and try it and see if you still get the same results.
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 04:06:34
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Many things could cause this to happen. Start by checking your routing: make sure EVERY track goes either to a sub-buss or to your master buss. You don't want ANY track going directly to your main outs. Also ensure ALL of your sub-busses are going to your master buss. Next, do an export using the same bit depth & sample rate as your project (24 bit hopefully!) and with NO dithering. Now import your new export into the same project on a new track. Route this one straight to your main outs (you don't want to "double up" any master buss Fx. Solo it. This should sound identical to your raw tracks and you have proved conclusively that Sonar isn't the problem. Now do the same exercise but export as a 16 bit 44.1 KHz file. Reimporting it into Sonar should again sound exactly the same. Now you can try playing it in Media Player, car stereo etc. If it sounds wrong in WMP, check you haven't got any weird EQ curve in WMP
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 04:31:10
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My guess is just a guess. It is possible to mix at the 32bit floating point in which there is no distortion but when you mix it some aliasing somehow . Mixdown to the same bit length and resolution as well to perhaps isolate the cause. I'd suggest putting high pass filters on everything and roll off some of that low end energy that might not be within the audible range and could be stacking up in takes and tracks.
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 09:52:35
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DISCOVERY MOMENT! OK, so I discovered something interesting. I exported my track to audio and of course it sounded boomy and muddy. I took the same boomy and muddy audio file and imported it back to Sonar and guess what? It sounded just fine. Discovery: Media Player is somehow making my audio sound crappy.... but the file sounds fine once it is back in Sonar. Now I'm trying to see what is going on with the Media Player. I don't recall adding any Eq or sound adjustment to it. Has that happened to anyone?
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 10:26:43
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Only when I have rendered a mix to mp3 and forgot to lower the peaks from zero to -0.3 one time to hear it in the car or some such. But in sonar have you got 32bit floating point checked? Is there a add on EQ to media player active? Anyway you will find the cause no doubt. It is difficult for anyone remotely to advise when they don't have all the data. Good luck, hope you isolate the cause. Have you mixed successfully in the past and this is something new
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 10:28:11
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OK, you guys are going to hate me..... The problem was Windows Media Player all along. It had the "SRS WOW Effects" settings on. The track sounded exactly as intended when I took that setting off. Still, thanks so much for all your help. I learned a few things about the Export Settings out of this experience.
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 10:36:12
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Dannyb00 - you could retitle your thread by appending "Solved" to it.
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 11:07:03
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Discovery: Media Player is somehow making my audio sound crappy.... but the file sounds fine once it is back in Sonar. Now I'm trying to see what is going on with the Media Player. I don't recall adding any Eq or sound adjustment to it. This mistake happens way too often.
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Re: Another Mixdown Question
2014/02/15 11:21:24
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dannyb00 OK, you guys are going to hate me..... The problem was Windows Media Player all along. It had the "SRS WOW Effects" settings on. The track sounded exactly as intended when I took that setting off. Still, thanks so much for all your help. I learned a few things about the Export Settings out of this experience.
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