MIDI In Transpose

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2014/02/19 12:13:57 (permalink)

MIDI In Transpose

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I want to transpose MIDI coming into Sonar.
Say I play a drum pad note that Sonar normally receives as E5, well I want it stored in the Sonar MIDI track as E2 (or something), I specifically want to store this note in the piano roll view of the MIDI track (and I appreciate you could change the note on the instrument or transpose on the way out).
 
It's sort of the opposite of drum maps whereby you can transpose (or even change midi channels) for notes coming out.
Is this possible?
 
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    John
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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 12:44:50 (permalink)
    You could try the MIDI FX transpose plugin. I don't know if it will destructively transpose. 

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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 12:47:49 (permalink)
    Thanks John I will try it, do you have a link for the plugin? Google's not helping me today obviously :)

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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 12:49:54 (permalink)
    MIDI FX operate non-destructively only on the output of the MIDI track. It's not possible to alter MIDI at the input from within SONAR. You would need to run a MIDI utility that sits between the the port driver and SONAR. But I don't recall what freeware utilities might be able to do this. Possibly MIDI-OX.

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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 12:55:19 (permalink)
    SONAR does not alter incoming data (audio or MIDI) but in the case of MIDI there is way to display it differently via the global setting in Preferences > Custom > Display "Base Octave for Pitches"
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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 13:25:17 (permalink)
    Thanks guys.
    It need to be actually transposed (i.e. MIDI note altered).
    Cheers..

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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 13:29:08 (permalink)
    That MIDI FX plugin is included with Sonar. 
     
    BTW perhaps using a drum map might get you what you want. Drum maps are useful for more than just drums. LOL

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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 13:31:01 (permalink)
    You would need to run a MIDI utility that sits between the the port driver and SONAR. But I don't recall what freeware utilities might be able to do this. Possibly MIDI-OX.

     
    Or LoopBe (plus MFX Transpose).
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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 13:40:30 (permalink)
    I use eDrum MIDI Mapper along with LoopBe.
    I use it with my edrum set and my pad controller and works perfectly.


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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 13:42:17 (permalink)
    Thanks guys, will check
    John - yes drum map managers are all about what's leaving Sonar (I'm actually using one right now for a different purpose) , I need a MIDI map in manager, I smell a feature request coming on (although I suspect it won't be implemented for quite some time).

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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 14:41:19 (permalink)
    You might try Midi Shape Shifter, it's a nice utility. It's a midi vst so you use it like a soft synth and the output should be the transposed value. I use it to convert PB so I can drive Z3TA+ 2 from a GR 55.
     
    https://code.google.com/p/midi-shape-shifter/

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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 14:54:00 (permalink)
    This is turning into a rather excellent thread, thankyou... keep 'em  coming.

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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 15:05:50 (permalink)
    Virtual MIDI cables also work with Sonar's own drum maps (output of source MIDI track fed to input of destination MIDI track).
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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/19 15:11:27 (permalink)
    +1 on LoopBe - I also use their rtpMidi for use with TouchDaw on my phone.

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    Re: MIDI In Transpose 2014/02/20 10:00:53 (permalink)
    Midi solutions make a box to do what you want.
     
    Cubase has a transform that can do a lot to midi before it hits the track.
     
    This can do anything:
     
    http://www.bome.com/products/miditranslator
     
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