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Reference Track
Hi, I've heard people say, use a reference track, am I just listening to it, or am I looking for something in the pro channel EQ or what ? Need a hand here please. Thanks John
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/18 11:41:45
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It is all about the ears! It is important to select a reference track that suits the vibe and feel you are going for in your track (usually from the same genre) You then need to ensure that you do a bit of "volume matching" as if you reference against a commercial track it will be mastered and probably much louder than your track You can then toggle between your track and the reference track to get the bits you want to sound the same or similar I also find them useful for judging levels - especially bass Good luck
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/18 12:37:36
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Hi John, A reference track is a (normally) commercially produced and mastered song or musical piece (or even sample) that sounds the way you want your production to sound. Reference tracks can contain anything from the sound of a well-mixed kick and bass through to effects, drum sounds, vocals ... anything you want including mastered tracks. There are a number of well-respected tracks mentioned on the web, books, magazines etc. that might be cited by experts, but you should create a reference library of your own to suit your musical tastes or client requirements. The process is just to place a sample of the reference in a separate track aligned where you want your processing to take place and A/B by using mute or solo. Of course, you should also try to find e.g. interviews with engineers or producers who can describe the process too. You are listening for any element of the reference you want to apply to your own track, such as eq, compression, fx, or balance with other parts. The art to this is learning to listen both in a focused way to these single elements and also to combinations and right up to the whole mix. Also take into account the original performance, players gear, mics, room etc. and note that commercial music is already mastered so try to take this into account too when mixing...! Build a reference library and store it as samples you can drag and drop into tracks - don't be surprised at how many you end up with! Hope that helps. Happy mixing! G
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/18 12:46:36
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A reference track is simply a professionally released song that is in the same genre as yours and has the same vibe and sound as yours. You can use this reference track to help you record and mix your song as your sound starts in the recording stage, not the mixing stage. CJ
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/18 12:48:32
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☄ Helpfulby garyhb 2014/02/27 18:01:28
you'll want to route your ref track to your mains, not your master...
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/19 08:03:01
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/19 10:08:43
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☄ Helpfulby garyhb 2014/02/27 18:01:37
dlion16 you'll want to route your ref track to your mains, not your master...
And drop it in level by at least 6dB, or at least until the volumes of each are more or less matched
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/19 13:32:36
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You can use this reference track to help you record and mix your song as your sound starts in the recording stage, not the mixing stage...... I dont agree. Reference tracks are good at every stage including and especially mastering. If anything it is probably less helpful at the recording stage but there is always something you will gain from it which might help you even right at the start with tracking. It is interesting how few actually do it. I find it is also better to route the source of the ref track into a completely separate input in your system (if you have it that is, it is better to avoid your DAW in every way) and it is very important to adjust its level to match that of what ever it is you are doing. They are also great for setting up PA's in a live situation too.
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/19 22:42:13
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/19 23:05:52
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Gosh, I learn something every time I take a moment to play on this forum... been draging my mixed mp3/waves to a sonar "waves" song to check um for decent rendering but dragging a great song into one of my struggling attempts to be great to quick compare in my listening environment... just Brilliant! me so dumb but gettin' smarter every day... Thanks, all!
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/27 18:01:20
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And then one of my students asked, "..but do I really have to use reference tracks? What if I just want my own sound, not influenced by something else already produced?" Ans: "Perfectly valid not to use them if you're getting the sound you want". However, I do think ref tracks are helpful for example, when developing listening skills, when working with a client who may bring in their own or as suggestions to clients when making make production decisions, for checking out a studio or live system .... and whatever else you can think of! Ref tracks are just another tool. Use them or not? There's no rules about it except the one you make for yourself... G.
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/27 20:14:10
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Listening to reference tracks is an essential part of 'ear' training. Even more so if you are contemplating commercial release of the material. It's also important for clients to bring you a sample/s of a recording that typifies what They want their recordings to sound like.
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Re: Reference Track
2014/02/27 21:05:41
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☄ Helpfulby garyhb 2014/03/06 17:00:26
Reference tracks are like a helpful reality check. You can listen to the song you're mixing and be mesmerized by how nice it sounds. If you listen to it A/B against professionally mastered tune(s) in a somewhat similar genre you can snap out of your stupor that you have your mix right. Or, at least, in the initial rounds of your mixing you can discover more easily areas you should address to make your mix better.
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Re: Reference Track
2014/03/06 17:02:48
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lawajava Reference tracks are like a helpful reality check. You can listen to the song you're mixing and be mesmerized by how nice it sounds. If you listen to it A/B against professionally mastered tune(s) in a somewhat similar genre you can snap out of your stupor that you have your mix right. Or, at least, in the initial rounds of your mixing you can discover more easily areas you should address to make your mix better.
...and we all so need a reality check when mixing, don't we! Well said! G
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