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2014/02/19 15:31:04 (permalink)

How to make it sound better?

I've been working on a project for a while now, it it's just not coming out the way I'd hoped. So I started poring through the online help to figure out what I need to do to improve it. Can anyone offer any tips on how to make this piece sound better?
 
And yes, I already looked in the help for a "Make Music Sound Better" button. I also thought there might be a slider where you can set how good you want your music to sound. Strangely, no luck.
 
For example, the bridge for this song doesn't have the same balance of optimism and disillusionment as the verse, perhaps it has a slightly more resigned feeling. Also, at the piano solo in the break it sounds like I'm phoning it in a little, or perhaps am embarrassed by the preponderance of 9th chords. And sure, I could go in and re-record a whole new piano solo, but it's 4 bars long, and so it would just be easier to click on an option somewhere called "Make piano solo better", or again, a "Piano solo quality" slider would be great.
 
I would also like to be able to select a portion of music, say a clip or a region across several tracks, and then apply the "Make it sound better" option to only the selected events, for those times I want some of the piece to remain bad.
 
I'm wondering why these options are apparently buried so deeply into Sonar. Isn't making good music the whole point of the application? You'd think the tools for making it sound better would be front and center. 
 
Also, where is the "Make more commercial" option?
 
I'm using Sonar X3 on Windows 7. The piece is in D major. I have 6 Gb RAM.
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 15:35:40 (permalink)
Try using your DAW when you're not high...?

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 15:42:26 (permalink)
Awesome !
Your sarcasm has inspired me to recording a song with a single take on every track, no quantizing or pitch correction, just to see if it could still be done.
Would it be OK if I use compression, eq and reverb?

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 15:45:21 (permalink)
Oh...you're looking for Band-In-A-Box.  It's not free.

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 15:51:47 (permalink)
jkoseattle
 
I'm wondering why these options are apparently buried so deeply into Sonar. Isn't making good music the whole point of the application? You'd think the tools for making it sound better would be front and center. 
 

 
In my opinion the tools are front and center...I have a tough time on the implementation side though. Maybe I need to work harder.
 
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 16:00:48 (permalink)
I share Mike's opinion of the tools being front and center. Faders, pan pot, EQ, and effects are all "right there."
 
Without understanding the context of the piece, it sounds like the bridge/piano solo are needing more expression in OP. Unfortunately, there is no "cookie cutter" answer to that question.

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 16:12:39 (permalink)
Select the right setting for your song. There is a setting for every genre and a few extras.
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 16:21:58 (permalink)
  • If you can't recognize the difference, quickly switch between "none" and the new setting.
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 16:28:40 (permalink)
Train yourself...
 
http://www.groove3.com/str/EQ-Explained.html
 
http://www.groove3.com/str/compression-explained.html
 
http://www.groove3.com/str/sonar-training-videos/
 
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 16:33:49 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby robotecho 2014/02/19 20:54:54
jkoseattle
 The piece is in D major.


Everyone knows SONAR is tuned to Am.
 
Try that.
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 16:48:23 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby BlixYZ 2014/02/19 18:17:56
Get a mac.  Everything sounds better on a mac. 

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 16:56:34 (permalink)
1. The pint glass method. Find an empty one that tapers in towards the base, and place your handset into it speaker-end first. This will create an echo chamber that amplifies the sound. 
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 17:48:34 (permalink)
Listen to David Hasslehoff's records for several hours, then play back your track directly afterwards.
You will notice a significant improvement. This technique is known as "ear training".

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 17:57:05 (permalink)
Thanks for all the tips! They all sound too hard though. It's way easier to just complain about it and then blame my lack of success on Sonar. See, I suddenly had this thought. What if I listen to David Hasselhoff, transpose to A minor, put it on a Mac, select the right setting for my song, and it STILL sounds like crap!!!? THEN who can I blame? 
 
No, better to just tell people if they don't like it to blame Sonar.
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 18:22:47 (permalink)

 
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 18:29:14 (permalink)
Research has proven that "louder sounds better" to most people.  The "make it sound better" slider is right in front of your face, although using it is a bit counter intuitive.   Insert the Concrete Limiter in the master bus and make sure it's POST fader.   Then slide the the input slider DOWN, D-O-W-N, to raise the volume of your entire song.   Keep sliding until you love the way it sounds.
 
I know!  You're slapping your own forehead right now for not realizing it earlier!  
 
For selecting clips across tracks, use "Process-Gain" and add the needed volume destructively.
 
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 20:27:18 (permalink)
> Try searching "polishing a turd" for more suggestions.
 
And please remember that the 64 bit turd polishing engine should be switched on at all times as it is a proven fact the turds comes out nicer that way, especially when downsized or dithered (make sure your drains are unblocked).......
 
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 20:36:21 (permalink)
To make it sound better. Practice, practice and more practice! 

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 21:12:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rontarrant 2014/02/21 08:44:20
Get some noise-cancelling headphones.  What's left is the good stuff, like the center of a Tootsie Pop.
 
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 21:35:02 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chefmike8888 2014/02/20 10:41:07
Play the piano backwards.  That works for me.  I do everything backwards.  Backwards is forward if you get turned around.  And forget what Fuddyduddy said.  Get really high.  Really really high.  Get knocking-over-micstands high.  Drink 12 Southern Tier IPA beers that have 7.5% alcohol.   Go from there.  There are 5 stages of "High" - go for number 5.  Everything will sound GREAT!!   In case you don't know them, here they are: 
 
1. Social - interfacing with others is improved, inhibitions reduced, you believe you are attactive to potential lovers
 
2. Buzzed - still 'social' but now you have to worry about the man in the blue suit and his flashy light 
 
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4. Blotto - OK now you are all sweaty, and have that white crap at the corner of your mouth, you spill other peoples drinks, you just puked and you want to make out
 
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 21:53:24 (permalink)
The key is to sing the song the way Ike say to sing it! Put some stank on it!!  WARNING link contains profanity: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqZdwqzfh90
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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/19 22:25:27 (permalink)
Have you tried turning it up to eleven?  On a Mac?

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/20 00:19:05 (permalink)
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Have you tried turning it up to eleven?  On a Mac?




On a Mac, I'd turn it up to 240.    Volts.     In the US. 

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/20 02:45:40 (permalink)
Have the Coffee House and Sonar X forums been merged?

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/20 03:11:42 (permalink)
Nope. There are some CH denizens here, but there not the only ones that like a good quip..

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/20 11:50:03 (permalink)
Personally, I like my quips warm.
 
@ the OP - the piano solo isn't working because that's not really a piano.     Just thought you should know.
 

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/20 12:38:10 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Beagle 2014/02/21 13:12:13
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Have the Coffee House and Sonar X forums been merged?


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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/20 13:33:37 (permalink)
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Have the Coffee House and Sonar X forums been merged?


Yup, end of days is here four Shure.
 
Buffoonery, mayhem and monkeys living with roosters. 


LOL!!! End of days!!

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/20 18:28:57 (permalink)
That's like an annual festival, no? Burning man for millennialists?

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Re: How to make it sound better? 2014/02/20 19:09:09 (permalink)
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Have you tried turning it up to eleven?  On a Mac?




On a Mac, I'd turn it up to 240.    Volts.     In the US. 




Going for the 'vile reek of brimstone' there SuperG/Violator?

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