bjornpdx
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Familiar melody
Not sure if this is the right forum, but here goes. Once in a while I come up with a melody that seems really familiar to me, like a fragment from another song, but I can't place it. I have other people listen to my melody and it doesn't sound familiar to them but I just know I've heard it somewhere before. Maybe it's like a deja vu moment or something, I don't know.
I don't want to record something that's been done before so how do I find out if there's a song out there with the same melody line? I think there's a smart phone app to help identify songs and I might try that but not sure how well that would work.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/20 12:48:18
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Why bother? There hasn't been an original idea in decades upon decades...
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/20 12:52:41
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I think there's a site called Shazam that will use a database to try and identify a melody, but I haven't used it/can't vouch for it.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/20 13:23:32
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/20 15:06:30
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sven450 "every artist is a cannibal, every poet is a thief" Words to live by.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/20 15:16:40
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yea its pretty hard to create something new, just a rearrangments of what has gone before, but if done the right way can still create a different animal. Im pretty sure that shazam just matches the mastered released track off spotify etc with the SAME track YOU are trying to analyse. In other words, its not gonna match your piano melody line to a mastered version of the studio track in its online database. Thats my understanding of it anyway. My advice: We all have a friends that have an extensive music library knowledge, throw it their way, if they don't cop it straight away, fire ahead it will be alright! Cian
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/20 15:43:09
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bjornpdx Once in a while I come up with a melody that seems really familiar to me, like a fragment from another song, but I can't place it. I have other people listen to my melody and it doesn't sound familiar to them but I just know I've heard it somewhere before. Maybe it's like a deja vu moment or something, I don't know.
That is the very definition of a hit song! Go with it. Unless it becomes a huge commercial success, it's unlikely anybody will ever go he's-so-fine on you.
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bjornpdx
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/20 15:45:37
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I agree that everyone is influenced by someone else. I just don't want this song of mine to be so influenced that it sounds pretty darn close to another one and I don't even realize it. What's it called, subconscious plagiarism? Anyway, people are telling me the melody is unique (and it passed the Shazam test) so I think I'm good.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/20 16:41:52
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"Lesser artists borrow, great artists steal." - Igor Stravinsky What's it called, subconscious plagiarism? Anyway, people are telling me the melody is unique (and it passed the Shazam test) so I think I'm good. If it wasn't for this, Hans Zimmer wouldn't have a career. #LionKing/AveVerumCorpus, #Gladiator/ThePlanets ;)
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/20 16:49:50
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In the Jazz world the saying is "Giants stand on the shoulders of Giants" I have taught copyright a few times. Unless your melody is an excat copy of another for the whole length of the tune, note for note, timing for timing then NO you are not ripping anything off and you will not be prosecuted even if you release it. As a composer of many jingles I have many times had to create what we call 'look alikes' where exact melodies are copied and only the slightest thing is changed to avoid any prosecution. Sad isn't it. I say go right ahead and do what you want. It is more about how you personally feel in terms of creating something that might sound similar to something else that is all. But hey that is not a bad thing either. It means you are pretty good at what you are doing if you are coming up with things that are close to other great things.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/21 03:55:29
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Jeff Evans In the Jazz world the saying is "Giants stand on the shoulders of Giants"
I didn't know Sir Isaac Newton played jazz
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/21 07:49:16
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If you can't place it, your friends can't place it, Shazam can't place it, then it's likely it never was written in the first place. If it was written and no one can place it, then it wasn't a very good song to begin with and you are on the wrong track to writing a hit song.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/02/21 07:54:28
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bjornpdx Once in a while I come up with a melody that seems really familiar to me, like a fragment from another song, but I can't place it. I have other people listen to my melody and it doesn't sound familiar to them but I just know I've heard it somewhere before.
This happens to me all the time. I used to worry about it, but I stopped and I just record those suckers. What the hell? Even if it turns out to be someone else's song, you're in good company. http://www.youtube.com/wa...nIKUdMI&feature=kp
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/05 14:30:55
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Great thread, and advice. I also taught copyright law and these days you can sample just about anything without copyright issues. However, it sounds like you passed the litmus test with your friends, Shazam, etc. You are right in wanting to do something original and doing a little research to be sure it's not what you heard yesterday on the car radio is an ethical way to stay true to your music. Hope you get the piece to completion for a good share....
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/05 15:49:57
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I've found that most of the time when I've come up with something that sounds familiar, it really just reminds me of another song, rather than being an exact copy. I would just start working on it and see were it goes. Sometimes after working on a tune for a while I'm reminded what song I think it sounds like, or when it's fleshed out more others might find it easier to identify a matching song. And it could be that it sounds familiar because it's a nice catchy melody.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/06 01:55:59
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I'm sure that years and years ago I read about a program where you could whistle a melody and it would search a database of melodies and come up with a list of possible matches, even if you whistled it in the wrong key. But then again this comes under the general heading of "Things I Might Have Read But Am Equally As Likely To Have Dreamed."
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/06 05:01:01
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☄ Helpfulby BoostSoftware 2014/03/12 10:44:14
bjornpdx ...I have other people listen to my melody and it doesn't sound familiar to them but I just know I've heard it somewhere before...
Why not post it here and see if anyone recognises it.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/06 07:59:46
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Yeah, just go with it. Lawsuits are not as common as people tend to think.... If it's an infringement of someone's copyright, and you are making a lot of money from it, that certain someone's lawyer will let you know...... worry about it at that time. I composed a tune which people here said it sounded really familiar. Yet, no one here could point to the artist or song they thought it came from.... in case you're curious: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9414184
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/06 12:50:00
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I composed a tune which people here said it sounded really familiar. Yet, no one here could point to the artist or song they thought it came from.... in case you're curious: http://soundclick.com/share.cfm?id=9414184 Reminiscent of a popular church song, probably why no one can pinpoint an artist. Not nearly an exact similarity except for the chord progression, which is not protected under copyright law anyway. People have tried to sue over chord progressions before, but all the cases were thrown out. Melodies from songs under copyright are protected up to a certain number of notes apparently. At least that was the claim of Stephen Schwartz when using the first seven notes of "Somewhere over the Rainbow" in his musical "Wicked."
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/06 14:27:09
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rumleymusic Melodies from songs under copyright are protected up to a certain number of notes apparently.
Yeah IDK... I suspect that exact tipping point is up to a jury and which side has the most persuasive legal team don't ya think? For George Harrison, it was 3 notes.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/06 19:57:40
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Yeah IDK... I suspect that exact tipping point is up to a jury and which side has the most persuasive legal team don't ya think? I guess you would have to define what constitutes a melody, does it encompass a compete music idea, was the intent to recreate that melody in a similar way, etc, etc. In other words, rather open to interpretation and argument.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/07 08:17:32
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The jury in that case decided that 3 notes constituted copyright infringement.... "He's so fine"="My sweet Lord".... bang!!!... millions of dollars changed hands over 3 notes. Do I think that's right? Nope.... but that's what the jury decided. So, copy up to 2 notes safely, go to 3 and you're on risky territory. However, it's good to note that BOTH songs in that case were really big hits.... so unless your 3 note copy song hits #1, I really don't think it would be an issue because there's no money to go after. It's all about the money..... not the notes.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/07 12:32:24
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I don't disagree in some cases. For a hypothetical. Take the NBC theme. (C-A-F). If another news organization decided to use the same three notes for their theme, that would be a blatant violation, and I say sue away. If the same three notes were used somewhere in a song with a 10-12 note melody that sold millions of copies. There would be absolutely no cause for a lawsuit. You can't sue over notes, only over obvious theft of intellectual property. If you see the Hans Zimmer hashtag I posted about the Planets. The Gustav Holst foundation actually sued Mr. Zimmer for the film score to Gladiator because the opening battle scene music was a blatant ripoff of "Mars the Bringer of War." Even though the notes and rhythms were very different. http://www.filmmusicmag.com/?p=638 I don't really know the outcome of that case, or if it is still in process.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/08 08:40:56
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rumleymusic If the same three notes were used somewhere in a song with a 10-12 note melody that sold millions of copies. There would be absolutely no cause for a lawsuit. You can't sue over notes, only over obvious theft of intellectual property.
Exactly.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/09 11:01:11
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This happens to me pretty often, most recently just a day or two ago. I was trying to come up with a folk ballad, and was happy with what I had after about an hour of work, only to recognize it as something I have already heard. When this happens to me, If I DO identify the melody I try to go back further and find an even earlier use of the melody. I regard this as licence to use what I came up with. There's nothing new under the sun. Back when I played gigs I had a fake book I bought that had this weird index in the back to help the performer identify tunes by it the notes went up or down or stayed the same. So "The Star Spangled Banner" might look something like: D-D-D-U-U-U-U-D-D-D-U-U -S-S-U etc. Pretty laughable. Us guys use to play "Name that Tune" trying to use it in reverse. Never once did any of us get one right. Here are a couple of my heartaches, one for the tune and a couple for titles.: A lullaby I wrote in the 70's (but never copyrighted) opens exactly like "A Whole New World" from Disney's "Aladdin". Made me feel bad I didn't have it registered, but then I recalled "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" and felt better. I have a song called "Let It Go" copyright 2009, probably before the "Frozen" song of the same name. BTW I'm getting quite a few looks at it on SoundClick the last few days. Also, I just learned that Def Leppard had a "Let It Go" back in the early 80's. Mine doesn't sound like either. I wrote a song called "Come Away With Me", only to learn there was a big country(?) hit of the same name not all that long before I wrote mine....but I felt better when I recalled the barbershop that opens with "Come away with me Lucille - In my merry Oldsmobile" from before you or I were born. I have more that I can't even remember anymore. I don't worry too much about it.
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Re: Familiar melody
2014/03/09 18:19:41
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I agree with other in that if it is not obvious, just go with it and see how it turns out. You don't want to stop your creativity. Someday, if a publisher listens and says it is too much like another song, then you'll know. Or, if an artist records it and someone sues you later, then you'll know. The best advise if you are unsure is to ask, research, post a draft hear on the boards and ask. That way at least you got feedback. Rimshot
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