kawika
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restoration
I'm looking for some good restoration software. I have a great performance on my x1 producer recorded on a cassette 4trk. It's a little noisy, over compressed and lacks lows and highs. Good luck right ! lol. Just wondered what's out there. I haven't looked in a decade. thanks.
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Re: restoration
2014/02/23 04:07:21
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IZotope RX. Pretty pricey but it's the real deal.
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Re: restoration
2014/02/23 04:29:31
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Izotope RX3 is generally recommended as the best tool for the job. There's an advanced version that's very expensive, and a basic version that does fine for most applications. You can also get either one in a bundle for a bigger discount, for example sometimes with the popular Ozone mastering tool. At plugindiscounts.com (or a similar site) you can usually find a slightly better deal than through Izotope themselves. Alternatives exist from Waves and Sonnox. The latter is quite pricey and requires an iLok. Other than that I don't know much about it except the Sonnox fx in general are considered very good. The Waves ones are probably the cheapest for a full suite (provided you get them during a sale) but also a little dated. Probably the most noteworthy one is Z-Noise, which has more advanced noise filtering than the older ones. A free alternative you could try is Audacity, a free open source based DAW that supposedly has some pretty decent noise reduction. I haven't tried it and have heard mixed reports. Then again, you can't go much cheaper than free so probably worth ago. These things mostly focus on noise reduction. For tonal quality and dynamic expansion you already have tools available in Sonar.
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Re: restoration
2014/02/23 09:27:41
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Re: restoration
2014/02/23 09:50:14
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Sony Sound Forge includes a really nice noise-reduction plug-in. It's been around awhile, but it's a venerable tool. It's perfect for vinyl and tape - plus you get a full up audio editor in the bargain. Perfect if you don't want to go the full-boat with Izotope RX3. Demos are available.
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Re: restoration
2014/02/23 11:10:23
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I have a great performance on my x1 producer recorded on a cassette 4trk. It's a little noisy, over compressed and lacks lows and highs As far as it being over compressed, that cannot be undone. Some might thing an expander might undo this, but it wont. It doesn't work like that. Once the loaf of bread is baked, you cannot take out any flour from the bread. Same goes for compression that is already rendered into the audio file. As far as it lacking lows and highs, an EQ can maybe fix it, But remember you cannot add what is not already there. So if there is nothing under 60hZ ,an EQ will not magically make your song have frequencies under 60hZ As far as the noise, like many said above, the RX3 is the bomb, but pricey, but Waves X and/or Z Noise is good also and cheaper. CJ
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Re: restoration
2014/02/23 11:43:22
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I agree with CJ - You can't undo compression. I have Izotope RX3. LOVE what this thing can do. I've cleaned up numerous tape and vinyl recordings. Once I learned how to use the different modules and to be patient, the thing works like a charm!
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Re: restoration
2014/02/23 11:48:16
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I've had some good results using expansion on compressed single instruments, like hihats or snare bottoms. I have never tried with a full mix, I guess I can see why it would be problematic.
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Re: restoration
2014/02/23 12:05:48
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And I'll second that of all the Wave editors I've messed with Sony Sound forge would be another good pick for cleaning up tracks. I don't own it but my band mate bought a USB turntable that included Sony and I was blown away at how good a job it did of recording and rendering the albums into pretty nice sounding Waves. And best of all it did it in an idiot proof one button approach so that's why I was skeptical at first. It even chopped each song into a separate track automatically and works the same for tapes. I use Wave lab Elements ($90) for this stuff , but if you don't feel like spending money then try Wavosaur (free) or the demo of GoldenWave.( $60) You'll be able to optimize, normallize, EQ and even simple noise reduction. Just easier to work in a wave editing environment than in Sonar with stereo tracks. Most Wave editors will have access to your Sonar Plug in library too. When done you can batch process into MP3's too.
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Re: restoration
2014/02/24 12:47:03
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I have RX3 and love it. Though, if you're looking for a less-expensive alternative to remove background noise, you might consider ReaFIR, which comes as part of the ReaPlugs suite: http://www.reaper.fm/reaplugs/ It's free!
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kawika
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Re: restoration
2014/04/04 01:25:56
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Thank You all for your time and recommendations. I'll have some time at month's end to experiment, and I'm now looking forward to the task.
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Re: restoration
2014/04/04 01:32:03
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RX3 is actually on sale right now.
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Re: restoration
2014/04/04 10:27:29
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Sound Forge is a great tool to have. For noise, the de-noise program works about as well as you are going to find. The bad news is there is no much hope to "uncompress," or add back in lows or highs that ain't there. You can mess around at the edges. Note, I haven't used Cedar or the other high high end stuff, but unless you have thousands of dollars to spend on this project neither will you. Besides, that is part of the analog charm. I still love the scratches in my old vinyl I digitalize. Wouldn't be the same song I've listened to a 1000 times.
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Re: restoration
2014/04/04 11:06:03
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It IS possible to undo compression somewhat under the right circumstances--i.e., the less compression, the better. This generally involves expanding the peaks to give the sense that it's not as compressed. Not much you can do about the low-level compressed audio. Also agreed about RX and Sound Forge, I've done a ton of salvage jobs and those are the tools that served me best. Audition also has excellent tools, but with Adobe's subscription plan, it has become less attractive as an individual program to those who don't want to use the full Creative Cloud suite.
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Re: restoration
2014/04/04 11:11:28
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I believe the latest version of SoundForge includes a few of the RX tools.
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kawika
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Re: restoration
2014/04/05 02:57:12
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Yea....the consensus is isotope RX3. Someone said it's on sale now. Where? I did see it at fullcompass for 175.00 (educational version). Would that version be any different? I'm in education, so I'd qualify. Ebay has it for 249 electronic license. Are there any benefits to getting the actual CD package over a download. Lastly....will this plug in to Sonar? thanks!
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mudgel
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Re: restoration
2014/04/05 06:12:20
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There are only 2 versions. RX3 and RX3 Advanced. Made by iZotope. Just make sure it's one of them I can't remember the last packaged software I bought. Get the download and yes it works as a VST 2 or 3 plugin in Sonar.
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Re: restoration
2014/04/05 06:52:24
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I got an email from them saying they were doing a discount on them until May 1st. It lists 749 dollars for the Advanced version instead of the regular 1199 and 249 for the basic one instead of 349. Going through a site like Plugindiscounts.com (or similar) will knock off a few more bucks, I got a 688 dollar price there for Advanced I think. Which I can't afford right now :) They come up in sale from time to time, it's not like a one-time offer only, but if you need something now it's a decent deal.
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kawika
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Re: restoration
2014/04/07 21:47:14
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The question is now RX3 advanced or just RX3. I will read the information, but I'd love to hear what anyone has to say re: comparison. Thanks
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Re: restoration
2014/04/08 03:13:39
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You can try both as a demo for ten days. The offer is until May 1st. Knock yourself out :)
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Re: restoration
2014/04/09 17:26:27
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I tried them both and I have to say they completely blow the Waves Restoration suite out of the water. I had decent results with those in the past but nothing compared to this. For my purposes the Advanced version doesn't really add much. The basic version already has a lot of tools. I was afraid they'd be all one plug like with Ozone but they're separate and also include the standalone editor which is kinda nice for eliminating specific sounds with spectral editing.
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