LJB
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Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
Hi guys, I noticed that in X3d Producer 64bit freezing DimPro throws the frozen wav out of time with the track. What the heck am I doing wrong..?
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/05 11:06:28
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Does it matter if you have Plugin Delay Compensation on or off?
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/05 11:45:14
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Is it an evolving timbre?
Just check in preferences that BounceBuffMsec is set to zero. This is default now, but I guess it's possible that the setting may have changed or been migrated from a previous version.
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/05 12:00:34
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Just check in preferences that BounceBuffMsec is set to zero. This is default now, but I guess it's possible that the setting may have changed or been migrated from a previous version.
That shouldn't be a problem for any 64-bit synth; it's only a problem with Bitbridge, and X3 shouldn't load a 32-bit synth when a 64-bit equivalent is available. That said, I did kind of wonder if that might be a factor, since the Bitbridge bug is the only common cause I know of for frozen audio being later than live synth output. How late is it, Ludwig? And which patch?
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/05 14:36:23
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Try using the Slow Bounce option and/or higher ASIO latency. It could be a disk I/O bottleneck from disk read errors, fragmentation or writing audio to the same physical drive that the samples are being read from. Plugin delay compensation only knows about CPU time, not I/O overhead. A slow bounce might give it enough extra time to compensate for any unexpected disk latency.
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/05 17:20:37
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LJB
Hi guys, I noticed that in X3d Producer 64bit freezing DimPro throws the frozen wav out of time with the track. What the heck am I doing wrong..?
I can confirm this. I have three synths in a project. Rature, Dim Pro, and Session Drummer 3. Also have one audio track. All midi tracks have eighths notes. When I freeze Rapture, all notes stay on time. When I freeze SD3, all notes stay on time. When I freeze Dim Pro, it goes out by eighth note. It stays in time, but the first note is delayed by an eighth of a beat. Anyone else?
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/05 20:30:40
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Okay, I unfroze/re-froze some existing projects, and it wasn't a problem. So I created a test project using drum patches, and it also freezes with correct timing.
Something's missing from the recipe. No doubt Dim Pro is waning in popularity, but if there were a general problem with it in X3d I think there would have been posts about it before now.
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/05 21:44:16
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brundlefly
Something's missing from the recipe. No doubt Dim Pro is waning in popularity, but if there were a general problem with it in X3d I think there would have been posts about it before now.
Kinda in agreement with you b-fly. Something is missing, we are doing something different, some explanation. I was surprised that there wasn't more posts about this. I'm going to try it on my win7 machine after dinner.
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/06 01:07:25
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Update:
Started new project.
Loaded all synths with their own trks, not Simple Instrument Trk:
Dim Pro
Rapture
Lounge Liz
Session Drummer 3
Loaded a midi scale file on all synths.
Froze all one at a time, separate. No time drift.
Go figure!
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/06 05:18:38
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Hmm... me shall have to experimunt. I'll be bach.
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/09 11:15:37
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Ludwig, that project I have that Dim Pro gets delayed when you freeze it, still does it! But not if I use a new project. I'm looking into this more also. Let me know what you find. Update: After playing with the "Input Echo-Auto Through" off and on, I got the same Dim Pro trk that was delayed to work correctly. Don't know if this will help you or not.
post edited by Grem - 2014/03/09 11:44:11
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Re: Freezing a synth puts it out of time..
2014/03/09 14:46:58
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Grem
"Input Echo-Auto Through"
Is this referring to the Always Echo Current MIDI Track setting in Preferences > MIDI > Playback and Recording? Shouldn't make a difference, and doesn't here.
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