revnice1
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Problems with plugins
1) I'm having trouble getting some plugins to show up after a VST scan. I've entered the path to the .dll under options but it still doesn't appear in the list. Can anyone suggest what I might be doing wrong? 2) How can I get unwanted plugs off my system, there doesn't appear to be an uninstall for a lot of them and I'm wary of removing them by other methods in case I defeat something that's working. I have a long list of stuff that I have no idea where it came from, probably from other programs that can handle audio, I see a lot of Microsoft codecs, etc. Thanks - rev
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/07 15:07:01
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1) Difficult to say without more info. Look in the Cakewalk Plug-in Manager and see if the missing plug-ins are in the excluded list. 2) If the plug-ins were not installed with a Windows style installer, manually deleting them is the only way. Even using a Windows uninstall process may not completely remove software leaving traces in the registry and sometimes even on disk. If you are uneasy about removing plug-ins, use the Cakewalk Plug-in Manager to exclude them. The plug-ins will still reside on the machine but they will not be seen or used by SONAR.
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/07 16:14:25
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Thanks, I already checked the Manager. I think it has to be something to do with the path. I'll post back if I find the problem.
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/07 16:51:09
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Usually Sonar would put in its own path to the VSTs. Perhaps a re-install would solve it, but I doubt one has to go through all of that. Probably on the C:\ partition of harddrive if you installed Sonar on another partition. Just guessing as I never had a problem with that. And yes, others will be included that can not be used, just ignore those or perhaps remove them, but if you scan again, they probably will be included again.
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/07 19:19:08
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Often it's a matter of first finding the plug in, then making sure that folder is included. I was a little miffed when I fell for one of the Sonar plug in deals the other day. A $10 Hammond organ, the demo sounded great etc. So I paid my money , downloaded and then installed it, It used a windows installer. Sonar couldn't find it. Took me a long time using the Search function and it turned up in the 32 bit section and in Demention Pro. ?? I thought I was getting a 64 bit stand alone, and then it's 32 bit?? Last time I fall for one of Cakewalk stores "deals" So moral of the story is these plug ins can get scattered all over the place. And as scook said, there are generally 2 types The ones that get installed and the ones that you just drop a dll. into your folder. Look on your Windows programs list first and remove any using the add or remove programs feature. The dll. type can be deleted manualy, but as scook say's they do no harm and take up very little space. Just tell the plug in manager to remove them from the list.
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/08 09:47:00
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re #1 in scooks post. Please tell us: Sonar version OS missing plug-ins in question Are the missing plug-ins downloads? If so, have you extracted them from the zip/RAR file? Are you running Sonar as Administrator? UAC was interfering with the plug-in manager on my system until I selected Run as Admin. The scan would appear to run normally, but the list would not update.
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revnice1
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/08 10:22:36
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>The scan would appear to run normally, but the list would not update. That could be it. I haven't been running as admin. I'll try it. Ok, that didn't work but I did solve one. MIDI Quest, installs .dlls for whatever instruments you have and it was those .dlls that were giving me multiple errors saying 'Can't set directory' - because the path doesn't exist. Getting rid of MIDI Quest didn't get rid of the instrument dlls. I did that manually and all is well there. The one that won't show up is Waves Maserati Acoustic Guitar. I even put it in its own folder and included that path but still no luck.
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/09 00:51:25
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If a plugin doesn't show up after the scan, it's either because a) its internal initialization routine has failed or b) you have too many plugins. The latter only applies under SONAR 8.5 and earlier. If you're on 8.5, try moving some of the plugins you don't use into another folder that's not in the scan path. If you're on X1 or later, the missing plugins could be marked as "exclude" (easy to check) or some support files are missing (may have to re-install them).
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revnice1
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/09 09:35:40
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>b) you have too many plugins. I'm on 8.5.3. Do you know what the maximum number of plugs is? I have now removed so many that a max plugins limit could not be the problem. I have also archived a lot more to the Exclude list. Do you (or does anyone else) know why some plugs have (0) next to them? For example: Stereo Side Chain Stereo Side Chain (0) The (0) seems to suggest that one is a duplicate but reinstalling would surely overwrite the same one? Could the (0) be referring to x86 versions of the plug?
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/09 13:56:48
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I don't recall the exact maximum number (it may not be an exact number), I only know that I exceeded it years ago and have since routinely removed the ones I don't use. I drop them into a "Removed" folder just in case I ever want to revive them or work on an old project that used them. Note that adding a plugin to the exclusion list does not reduce the total count, just suppresses them from the context menu. Take a look in all of your vst folders and see if there is more than one "stereo side chain" plugin. That the "(0)" indicates a duplicate would be my first guess, too. Could you perhaps have duplicates in your vst path, maybe more than one? Keep in mind that all nested directories are included in the scan, so you could conceivably have a forgotten folder buried in there with a bunch of plugins in it.
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/09 14:08:45
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You're right about folders and dupes, I'm working on that now. As for the max number, the scan has never failed to add what I was trying to add but I recently installed a Waves bundle and they include x86 and x64 versions so that's probably what put me over the top.
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/10 10:19:00
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I ran into an issue of my own over the weekend. i downloaded and installed the free version of Proteus VX and although the plugin shows up in my list, when i go to open it comes up as just a blank window. strange enough if i just go to "program files > proteus VX" I can open it as a standalone.....i just can't get Sonar to open/view it properly i probably screwed this up because during the installation process it asked me two questions where do i put my "folders" or maybe it had said "data"....and then it asked where my plugins go. in both cases i just directed it to my vstplugins folder. any thoughts on what i could have done wrong or how i can fix? i really need to sort out my folder structure but that's for a new thread.
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/10 10:20:27
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ugh.....i JUST learned that "x86" means 32 bit what a mess :(
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revnice1
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/10 12:44:50
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It sounds like you screwed something up during the installation such that Sonar doesn't have the correct path. Some plugs have an exe as well as a dll, others just a dll. You might only have one of those in your path(s) and it can't find the other. The missing path is probably Program files (x86)\Cakewalk\vstplugins\Proteus I'd start again and make a note of where you put stuff.
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/10 13:00:55
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when you say "start again" - you mean uninstall and try to install it again? i'll have to check when i get home tonight but i believe i put everything in that vstplugins folder so i'm not sure where that leaves me another random but related quirk....when i pull up "insert soft synth"....why do i see my list of dropdown plugins.....and then in that list is "vstplugins" where there is a dropdown for 3 more synths? why are they not all together?
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revnice1
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/10 17:08:09
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>when you say "start again" - you mean uninstall and try to install it again? Yes, if you can get it all off your system with an uninstall that would be best. If not, you can install again and then get rid of the extra 'data' folder, if it's not in the right place. >why are they not all together? That was probably done by the Sonar installation but you don't have to keep it like that. If you want to see all your Soft Synths together, go to Insert > Soft Synths > Manage Plugin Layouts. You can now make folders or remove synths from folders, organize by type or with separators between categories, etc.
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Re: Problems with plugins
2014/03/10 19:31:10
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If you've got a bunch of x86 plugins that you don't need, just drag them into another folder, one that's not under your vstplugins path, then re-scan. The blank window problem could be an installation issue. Soft synths sometimes use separate bitmap files for their graphical elements and expect to find those files in a specific location, usually in the same folder as the DLL or in a subdirectory below it. Re-installing it may fix the problem. If not, I'd email the vendor for advice. (I have seen that same problem with other plugins in the past, and it magically disappeared after a version update.)
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