clintmartin
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Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
I can get a very good deal on these right now, but I don't know how good they are. Anyone have any opinions?
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/14 22:44:21
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I have the delay and it's pretty deep, very flexible, and has some neat tricks up its sleeve, like reverse delays. I like it, not as much as I like EchoBoy and PSP Echo, but I do like it.
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 04:17:36
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I have had it for some time but rarely use it now as I find it quite difficult to get the effect I am after - I'm sure this is my fault not the products - perhaps it is a bit too complex for me. My preferred "complex" delay is Sigmund from D16 - I love this, you can get nearly any effect you're after and I find this so much easier to use. Nigel
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 07:12:38
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I have the delay which I haven't used a lot because it is quite complex and I haven't really taken the time to learn it / fiddle with it properly, but I got it for next to nothing, so I'm glad to have it for when I want something a little different to the norm. What's the deal ?
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 12:20:10
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I have the delay, and I'd have to put it in the same league as PSP, SoundToys, and UA delays. I use them all, different horses for different courses... but I think you'll find it very useful.
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clintmartin
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 12:26:03
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paulo I have the delay which I haven't used a lot because it is quite complex and I haven't really taken the time to learn it / fiddle with it properly, but I got it for next to nothing, so I'm glad to have it for when I want something a little different to the norm. What's the deal ?
$80 for both. Plus Rob Papen are giving away AMOD (modulation) to anyone with an account. You guys should go look in your account and see if you got it.
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 13:31:14
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I don't know how much the reverb costs. I got their delay on promotion for $9, but this was about 2-3 years ago. I agree with Bajan Blue, I'm sure this is a great product and I do use it for effect from time to time, but it's a little too complex for my simplton brain when all I want is a basic delay. But this has less to do with the product and more to do with my laziness in taking the time to figure it out.
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clintmartin
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 13:40:12
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I'm not going to do it. The bundle at Sweetwater is $179, but I don't really need another algo reverb. I would like to have a nice modern delay. I have a few I like for guitars. (ubermod, Echoes, Sonitus and the ones in Amplitube 3) The Sigmund D16 looks like a monster...in a good way, but it's still pricey. I'm thinking about Liquidsonics for a new convolution reverb. I'm not reverb poor, but Perfect space is my only convolution verb.
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 13:44:36
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I have the R-Delay, it can do just about anything from subtle to outrageous. Can make a vocal track sound great or totally muddy it up.. dialing in (tweaking) is somewhat sensitive particularly if you want a subtle effect for vocals whilst maintaining clarity, intelligibility and feel. I like to bump-up the R-Delay effects in short-parts of a song using automation. Have not tried R-Delay on 'rhythmic instruments' yet, I guess it would be very interesting and useful in that regard for example, listen to Audio Demo: Groove Delay - Title 2. Think I got that AMOD, but have not installed/used it yet. Thanks for the reminder.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 13:58:40
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I have the RP Verb... but it's not loaded on my current DAWs. It's one of the better algorithm reverb plugins, but (IMO) it's nowhere near the quality of PhoenixVerb.
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 14:09:11
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I would agree with most people here and the pricing is probably set about right. I have the Reverb and the Delay plugins and to me them see to be better for EDM and Synth based music. I have tried them on different sources and styles of music but that is where they seem to do best, I know that is where Rob Papen is know esp. for his synths. I have wanted to use them more but often find that other plugs push them out, Valhalla's plugins and H-Delay being the main ones.
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 16:03:04
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clintmartin
paulo I have the delay which I haven't used a lot because it is quite complex and I haven't really taken the time to learn it / fiddle with it properly, but I got it for next to nothing, so I'm glad to have it for when I want something a little different to the norm. What's the deal ?
$80 for both. Plus Rob Papen are giving away AMOD (modulation) to anyone with an account. You guys should go look in your account and see if you got it.
Ouch ! I think the delay was $10 when I got it a few years ago, so I guess most of that cost is for the reverb.
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JohnKenn
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 17:41:40
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Bummer... Paid something like this for the delay alone. Good unit after figuring it out. Thanks Jim for the impression on the reverb. Probably something I can live without. Was wondering where the $80 sale was out of curiosity. All I see is the $149 or whatever for both licenses. If I can twist their arm out of guilty conscience, may get the reverb for near free (yeah...dream on) John
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clintmartin
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 19:22:41
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clintmartin
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 19:31:23
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I checked the Rob Papen site. The reverb now includes the delay for $179 and then you can get AMOD for free. $80 isn't to bad for all three.
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clintmartin
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 19:32:58
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Jim Roseberry I have the RP Verb... but it's not loaded on my current DAWs. It's one of the better algorithm reverb plugins, but (IMO) it's nowhere near the quality of PhoenixVerb.
I do believe Jim and his expertise, but there is no way I would pay $199 for an ilok reverb unit.
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JohnKenn
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 20:17:43
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Clint, Thanks for clarifying this. John
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 21:09:32
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I have the delay but don't use it. "Deep", "complicated" and "flexible" are all appropriate adjectives. To the extent that any effect I ever got from it was the result of pure serendipity. I suppose there's some value in that. RP-Delay, you could say, is like Forrest Gump's box of chocolates.
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clintmartin
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/15 21:36:20
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Hey Dave. Did you ever get Timeless 2? I'm thinking I'll wait and save up for it or Sigmund. I'm pretty happy with my fleet of reverbs, but I may add Liquidsonics Reverberate for a true stereo convolution.
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/16 09:30:17
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Yes, thanks to the generosity of others I now have Timeless2. Unfortunately, my DAW has been mute since January after my interface bit the dust. I'd planned to write an in-depth review and share some presets, and still do once I'm back in the game. The new interface arrives tomorrow - pretty excited about that! From the short time I spent with the Timeless demo, I came away with the sense that it's extremely versatile and has capabilities no other delay has. But despite all it can do, surprisingly there are some missing features, such as pitch modulation and distortion. Both things that RP-Delay does have.
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Jim Roseberry
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/16 17:46:03
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clintmartin I do believe Jim and his expertise, but there is no way I would pay $199 for an ilok reverb unit.
I respect those who take/maintain a strict "no dongle" policy. For me, it was easy to justify the cost of Phoenix Verb. When auditioning on drum-kit, the reverb sounds so natural (artifact free).
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/16 18:22:12
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Once upon a time I had a strict no-dongle policy. I was badly burned by one developer, and had more than a couple adventures with one of the older PACE drivers (who didn't?)
These days I think I might be leaning towards preferring dongles... I have not had a single dongle related issue in several years (admittedly, I was fortunate to see a post somewhere when iLok went through their most recent debacle). Dongels mean I no longer need to keep records of license keys, or worse, keep backups of license files. Dongels mean I can carry my license with me.
As an example, my favorite reverb plugin thus far was WizzoVerb... hands down the best sounding, and most flexible reverb I've used. BUT, when Wizzo went out of business I could no longer authorize the plug-in. There was a guy who was supposedly providing auths, but I never received one last time I asked. Granted, without further development it was going to remain a 32 bit process, but I was fine with that!
Now it would be really cool if I could use any old thumb drive as a dongle - and that is starting to happen - but dongels ceased to be an issue for me when they started "just working."
Cost... well that'll always be an issue<G>! Pheonixverb sounds glorious, and I have no issue with paying the current price, I just don't happen to have that much change under the couch right now. Considering what I paid for a used PCM-90, that didn't work, the cost of the Exponential reverbs is quite a deal!
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JohnKenn
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/16 22:07:16
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Bit, May be just retreo hallucinating and not much time right now to reverify, but Timeless does have pitch modulation and distortion in the fine tuning pages. Dreaming here, or can someone else verify for now? John
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/16 22:39:23
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Just checked the Timeless2 help file. The answer is indeed yes to both. Neither is implemented in a manner like any other delay I've seen. If you modulate the delay time, there will be a pitch shift to simulate a tape delay. This is if "tape" mode is selected. If "stretch" mode is used instead, pitch remains constant even if delay times are modulated. A dropdown list between the delay knobs selects between Tape and Stretch, with Tape being the default. This method should allow you to subtly emulate wow and flutter as well as moving the playback heads on a tape delay. Distortion is a less-obvious option, being selected as a particular filter mode ("Metal"). I see no controls for the amount or type of distortion. If you search the help file, "distortion" yields no results, but "Metal" does.
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/17 04:55:55
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+1 for Fab's Timeless 2 I have a buttload of delays... Timeless 2 is the only one I use anymore, although someday I'll get the scratch together to get the soundtoys bundle as it was nice when I demoed it. Bajan Blue My preferred "complex" delay is Sigmund from D16 - I love this, you can get nearly any effect you're after and I find this so much easier to use. Nigel
Hey, Bajan... I checked out Sigmund when it first came out but was broke... it does look interesting but my biggest concern is whether it faithfully reproduces the entire frequency spectrum...I find virtually all other delays loose too much in the high frequency realm, but Timeless does this flawlessly... Would be curious of a bit more of your experience... from the demos on d16, vocals sounded dull...
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Bajan Blue
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Re: Has anyone used Rob Papen RP-verb and RP-Delay?
2014/03/17 07:48:10
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Vastman I got Sigmund on an initial offer I think so it was pretty cheap IIRC. I've not used it on vocals - I use it mainly on synths / keyboards and other instruments - on the new project we are working on at the moment, I have even used it on some drums (in a break sort of thing). I have to say I have not noticed the dulling effect you mention - whether or not that's because of the nature of the source material I have used it on so far, is hard for me to say, sorry. There is a demo so you can give it a try before you buy. Cheers Nigel
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