Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These?

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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/19 18:39:55 (permalink)
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I also played trumpet back in the stone ages, still remember the fingerings, so I will try to set it up that way to give it a test. Hmmm, that is a Bb instrument isn't it... midi transpose may come in handy here at first.




You will not need to transpose.  The EWI-USB is a C instrument even though you can play it with modified trumpet fingerings.  Thus you can read straight out of a C fake book!

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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/19 19:02:42 (permalink)
Cool! Now if I can just get my mind on something else until it arrives tomorrow I should be fine.

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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/20 03:43:15 (permalink)
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Jim, those are very bad reviews for sure!  Fortunately I did not have any of those problems. But I have had mine for a few years now and I wonder if they haven’t cheapened the product so much that it is now a toy?  I hope not as it is a good instrument, at least mine is.

You may be right, the way quality control, [or lack thereof], has been diminished all to squeeze out that extra few dollars these days.
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I have an EWI USB coming from Sweetwater Thursday so I will let you know what I find out. It should be, well, interesting at least.

Great - can't wait to here how you do with it.
Myself, I don't actually remember the B flat Coronet fingering.
When I ask to be shown any fingering these days, I seem to get only one - and the same one over & over again.  



 
 
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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/20 16:11:52 (permalink)
Yes, I receive that single finger salute frequently...
 
Anyway, the EWI USB is here and I plugged it into a USB port and Win 7 loaded drivers and said I was ready to go.
 
Then installed the Aria software by right clicking on the setup.exe and told it to run as administrator. It ran, it put everything in the right place including the vst. It detected I'm using 64bit and put an icon to the 64bit version on the desktop like I ask it to.
 
Ran the aria software and it had already detected the EWI USB midi i/o ports and my RME audio device and settings, only had to change it from 44100 to 48000. Opened a couple of the instruments and they don't sound half bad for just a quick little test. I did find myself having to stop once in a while to get my breath back...
 
I still need to figure out how to get it into the EVI mode and get some minor settings made to the configuration but so far I am very impressed by the entire package. Hope to spend more time soon but right now I have an old Mackie extender apart trying/hoping to repair a sticky fader that is no longer available...

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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/21 00:35:50 (permalink)
Great Rick! Post more a few days onward, whenever you get a moment.



 
 
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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/21 13:29:56 (permalink)
Rtucker55, click on the Akai EWI-USB icon.  Note that this will not work in a VSTi mode within Sonar, it only works in standalone version of the software.  Click on tools then EWI configuration.  Make your adjustments then be sure to LOAD them to your EWI-USB.  You also can SAVE them in a folder for future recalls.  I have a few different configurations saved.

Good luck.

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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/21 13:43:38 (permalink)
Ah, MarioD my friend, That was what I was doing wrong. I kept thinking I needed to Save it when I really needed to Load the configuration!
 
I think this works fine now. I should try to read the instructions more as I was also not holding the correct keys for the EVI mode. Everything was +1...
 
Thank you again MarioD. I will return with more progress later.
 
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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/21 15:14:27 (permalink)
I am glad that I can help!

The reason people say the vinyl sounds better is because the music was better.
 
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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/21 20:55:33 (permalink)
You can't go wrong with Sample Modeling, at least my products. I started w/Mr. Sax T (outstanding IMO) but I also use the sax brothers. You need a controller with a lot of cc code controls, if you work with it, you can really get some outstanding results.
 
Here's one of the guys from SM demonstrating..
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs1rk6M-n60
 
And a tune I did with it... It met and exceeded my expectations.
 
http://www.reverbnation.c...t-a-lie-reimaged-timbo
post edited by The Band19 - 2014/03/21 21:01:08

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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/29 13:51:01 (permalink)
So Mr. Tucker - any verdict [or at least some evidence to present] at this time?



 
 
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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/29 15:54:12 (permalink)
Well, where should I start and forgive me if I start rambling...
 
I have spent some time with the EWI USB and the Saxphones Vi, at least the alto and tenor. I have probably spent more time just trying to get the EWI instrument set up to work best for me. There are a few parameters that can make the instrument work completely different. Note that the EWI USB does seem like a solid and quality piece of gear for the money and the support guys (email and phone) have been great.
 
I still have not yet found a way to make the vibrato sound realistic just by using the bite sensor. A wind player will change vibrato depth and rate depending on the phrase or note being played. If you are satisfied using just the vibrato depth that the Saxophones Vi provides then it is easy to set the EWI bite sensor up to provide that. It would be just like using the default mod wheel when controlling the Vi with a keyboard. In theory, you can set the EWI bite sensor up to bend pitch and this would probably be the right way to do a realistic vibrato but a technique not easily learned by this Old Dog...
 
I also have not found a consistent way to do a scoop-up or 1/2 valve to slur up into a note but again this is probably just a setting/learning curve thing for me.
 
I think they would make a Great combo if a guy is willing to spend the time learning the techniques to play a new instrument but if I had to use this live it would take me months of dedicated practice.
 
For just playing a few bars while recording the midi and then doing some edits it would work Great in a short amount of time but you could probably do the same thing using a keyboard and a few CC controllers as The Band19 suggested above. A breath control or even an expression pedal would work fine or you could just draw the midi events in Sonars PRV albeit time consuming.
 
Also, the genre would really come into play as far as the learning curve. I'm looking for something to perform/solo modern jazz to fusion and it will take a while for this Old Dog to learn some of those new tricks although I am not giving up yet and am trying to keep an open mind.
 
So at this point, other than the above points, I have not come to any concrete conclusions yet except I am not the least bit sorry that I made these purchases and I think it will open new avenues that I otherwise would have never explored.
 
If you have any specific questions I will try to answer them using my still limited experience. Hope this helps just a little.
 
Kind regards,
Rick
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/29 16:55:14 (permalink)
That's great! Helps a lot Rick. Thanks so much for taking the time to explain your findings.
 
I'm not all that interested in the learning curve that may be required for this other 'Old Dog', so I've been leaning either towards an expression pedal, as both my keyboards have a dedicated 1/4" input jack for that, or quite possibly the TEController as mentioned earlier in my post # 28.
 
Especially since I found it also suggested on Samplemodelling's site as a suitable alternative. 
 
http://www.tecontrol.se/products/usb-midi-breath-controller
 
I'll most likely spring for the saxes, but go for the cheaper breath control dealy, since it can be used far & wide on other things as well.
 
Cheers!



 
 
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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/29 20:10:43 (permalink)
Sounds like a good plan! 

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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/30 11:00:01 (permalink)
I hear you loud and clear Rick!  I will never be ready to play the EWI-USB in public but I can do a decent job in my studio.  Here are a couple of tricks that I have learned.

Vibrato – forget about depth and aim for rate. Then highlight the area where the depth is too much and use process/find/change to modify them. If you are unsure on doing this just ask but for now I’ll assume you have used find/change in the past.

½ valve slur – I find this very hard to do; us old trumpet players only had to use three fingers to get a note, not counting the D slide if you used one.  I try my best to get it live but then edit it in Sonar.

Good luck.





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Re: Sample Modeling - Saxophones - Anyone Try These? 2014/03/30 20:57:19 (permalink)
Thanks for the tips MarioD!
 
Kind regards,
Rick

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