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Probably a simple fix but.....
I tracked a quick beat to familiarize myself with the software (X3e). Sound is fine going in tho there's latency issues. a few second delay from the time I hit play or record to the time it actually starts. Also delay with the note and actually showing on the software meter. But on playback just noise. Posted a video here ---> http://youtu.be/GvxsoOyDfLA
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/19 23:59:10
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The pause before playback looks like count in for the metronome. Go to Properties > Metronome and see if you don't have it set to give you a measure of count in.
Next, the playback is all messed up. You aren't hearing the Metronome click or the audio from Sonar. Try exporting the audio and then listening back using your regular computer and see what you hear... Like use a media player to see if you can hear it ok.
Check your Audio Driver Settings in Sonar.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 00:01:58
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Please provide your settings for:
Audio interface: Sample Rate, ASIO Buffer Size
Sonar: Sample Rate, Driver Mode, Total Roundtrip Latency, Record Bit-Depth
Also, what kind of plugins are loaded into this project? (Please list all the plugins you have, by name)
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 06:08:56
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And also a description of what is connected where would be nice. There are several interfaces in your gear list. Are you using several simultaneously??
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 06:12:19
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I would look into updating your sound interface/s firmware and drivers next.
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ElRoc0 Tha Gr81
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 17:18:25
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Thanks all! @gswitz thanks it was on but even tho I turned it off it still has that delay. Before playback & record. I hear the metronome I had the volume off in the video. But yeah I can hear it. I did export the the track as a wave file and converted it as an MP3 neither would play in window media or ITunes. @Kalle I am using multiple interfaces. 828 & ff800 @Alex all are up to date. Was all working fine before I updated to X3e @robert not doing asio went back to wdm. No plugs just a simple scratch drum track to get everything functioning properly. photos below.      
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 17:19:36
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None of the photos are visible.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 17:24:22
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Did you export the file as 44.1kHz audio - Try 16 bit as well.
Are you able to listen to YouTube videos ok? X2 works fine, right? You are only having problems with X3?
When you say FF800 that's an RME Fireface?
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 17:24:47
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 17:27:27
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Yes the RME fireface sorry. I am going back to check and make sure it exported at 44.1 16 I took for granted I that it would tho I'm set to record at 48
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 17:36:41
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Yeah... Mine defaults to export at 32 bit and I have to change it to 24.
My computer plays 24 bit 44.1 wave files with no problem, but on older versions of windows, Windows Media Player required 16bit versions of files to play them.
I'm trying to guide you to see what works. I use an RME UCX and I definitely use ASIO. I can make sure it's working properly by watching Netflix or Youtube and hearing the sound just fine. Then, close all apps and long Sonar. It should work. Check your output assignments.
A Fireface is a good interface. We should be able to figure out what's wrong.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 19:06:36
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 19:36:15
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Five0SixBand
Sorry
394.7 msec latency?! Buffer size is 4736 samples?! lower it to the minimum you can and change it to Asio and see if that is better. In my system I have Asio setting of 177 samples and 4 msec while the total round latency is 22msec. I have a Focusrite saffire audio interface (so yours should be better!).
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 20:02:57
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ASIO works but limits me to 1 interface. That jacks up my entire set up.  
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 20:31:37
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So, in your second video, you're... - recording an Audio Track.
- Using 2 interfaces at the same time
- Are they sync locked? There needs to be a single timing master between the two interfaces.
- Are the two interfaces set to the same sample rate?
- I find it interesting that you get a normal wave form while recording and as soon as you hit stop it switches to what look like badly clipped signals.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 21:04:12
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gswitz
So, in your second video, you're...
- recording an Audio Track.
Yes - Using 2 interfaces at the same time
No that's all the Motu 828mk2. On playback it's the RME. - Are they sync locked? There needs to be a single timing master between the two interfaces.
No, They're not sync'd together. Separate firewire ports which locks them to the PC/software. - Are the two interfaces set to the same sample rate?
Yes, 48K - I find it interesting that you get a normal wave form while recording and as soon as you hit stop it switches to what look like badly clipped signals.
Exactly! That's baffling me also.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 21:14:20
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So just switched the motu back to ASIO and works fine. But not what I need. I really hope there's a way to use the wdm drivers with sonar or this was a HUGE waste of....
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 21:21:03
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Do they both have SPIDF or optical ADAT? Either could be used to link the two devices and get one to be master and the other to be slave.
I think your problem is related to not have a single Master Clock.
Is it possible to replicate the problem when recording and auditioning with only one interface on at a time?
I checked and both units have SPIDF connections. If you plug those into each other (just use a standard stereo connector if you don't have fancy cables). Then modify one of the two interfaces to be master and the other to be slave then try to replicate your problem again.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 21:36:50
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gswitz
Do they both have SPIDF or optical ADAT? Either could be used to link the two devices and get one to be master and the other to be slave.
Yes
I think your problem is related to not have a single Master Clock.
Good observation does not hurt to try.
Is it possible to replicate the problem when recording and auditioning with only one interface on at a time?
Not sure I understand. Don't think I can replicate the initial problem using only one interface. The problem was the attempt to use 2 interfaces. I may be misinterpreting your question.
I checked and both units have SPIDF connections. If you plug those into each other (just use a standard stereo connector if you don't have fancy cables). Then modify one of the two interfaces to be master and the other to be slave then try to replicate your problem again.
Yes they do both have spdif & word clock. I will try with word clock first. I do have a master clock which I've not used also. An Art SyncGen. Glad you thought of that. Hopefully we may solve the issue here.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 22:57:29
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You cant record on the MOTU and playback on the RME without locking the two units to the same clock.
Connect the BNC wordclock of the FF to the wordclock of the MOTU and slave the motu to the RME device. You will have to set the 828 to use the incoming wordclock sync.
Alternatively you can use the ADAT out of the 828 into the FF ADAT input and use adat sync.
A much simpler solution is to use ADAT output from the 828 into the FF and use ASIO mode with just the fireface connected via firewire. The 828 will pass all its inputs digitally into the FF via ADAT optical and doesn't even need to be connected via firewire. This is a better solution since it doesn't saturate the firewire bus.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/20 23:58:21
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Thanks for chiming in Noel. I have the bnc connection going FF800 word out > motu 8282mk2 word in. Sonar will not launch and the motu is flashing 44.1, Sonar will not go past the launch screen unless I power off the motu until Sonar launches. I keep playing with the settings. The adat connection on both the ff800 & 828 are in use by my hardware as are my spdif connections. 
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/21 00:17:11
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You have to disconnect the firewire on the 828.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/21 00:34:13
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You have to disconnect the firewire on the 828.
How will Sonar see the inputs of the 828 without firewire connected?
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/21 00:35:57
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It's hard to make detailed recommendations without having the actual hardware in hand, but I think it should go something like this: - Set SONAR to ASIO mode - Connect the FF800 via FW, and disconnect the 828 from the DAW **. - Connect the ADAT Out of the 828 to the ADAT In of the FF800 as Noel suggested. - Disconnect the BNC word clock; the ADAT connection will take care of sync. - Set the MOTU to use the ADAT input as a clock reference in the Audio Console - Set both to the same clock rate. - Not sure about this, but I think you need to set the MOTU to pass the Analog inputs through to the ADAT Out; it may be doing this by default already IIRC. ** EDIT: It just occurred to me that you'll need to have the MOTU connected by FW in order for the Audio Console to be able to talk to it. It might be you need to maintain that connection, but then I'm not sure how you get SONAR to favor the FF800 over the MOTU when detecting available ASIO drivers.  You might need to do some reading.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/21 06:48:28
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I'm with Noel and Brundlefly. - I would route the optical ADAT out from the MOTU into the RME FF800.
- I'd set the MOTU clock to SLAVE to the RME.
- I'd switch back to ASIO Driver Mode
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/21 09:02:39
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brundlefly
- Not sure about this, but I think you need to set the MOTU to pass the Analog inputs through to the ADAT Out; it may be doing this by default already IIRC.
** EDIT: It just occurred to me that you'll need to have the MOTU connected by FW in order for the Audio Console to be able to talk to it. It might be you need to maintain that connection, but then I'm not sure how you get SONAR to favor the FF800 over the MOTU when detecting available ASIO drivers. You might need to do some reading.
You have to explicitly set the MOTO to send ADAT outputs otherwise it sends spdif. Also you can leave the MOTO connected via firewire - as long as you aren't using the firewire connector. i.e. in ASIO you can use only the FF interface. Also its not necessary for the motu to be physically connected via firewire once it has been set up since it retains the settings internally. I have tried a very similar setup MOTU and UFX coupled via ADAT and it works fine. Read this tech note from Motu along with the manuals for both units since this is a non trivial setup. http://www.motu.com/techs....2004-10-14.7968752604
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/21 12:40:42
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Alternatively you can use the ADAT out of the 828 into the FF ADAT input and use adat sync.
A much simpler solution is to use ADAT output from the 828 into the FF and use ASIO mode with just the fireface connected via firewire. The 828 will pass all its inputs digitally into the FF via ADAT optical and doesn't even need to be connected via firewire. This is a better solution since it doesn't saturate the firewire bus.
Thanks, this was the method I was trying to avoid. I was hoping the bnc connection would sync them so I did not lose 8 of my inputs which is the only reason to have an extra interface. It basically reduces the motu to a mic-pre which is fine seeing as tho I'd still have 18 ins. But the rme loses 8. I just wanted to know if anyone successfully used wdm drivers with sonar. Guess I have my answer thanks all for your help.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/21 19:39:10
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I dont think your problem is necessarily with wdm. You possibly have the sync settings incorrectly set between the two devices or you are saturating the firewire bus. Even RME doesn't recommend wiring two interfaces on the same firewire bus.
Did you ever have this setup working in a prior SONAR version? If it works in another version then you can start troubleshooting from that point.
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/21 22:43:21
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I have the firewire on the mb and then a separate TI chip firewire installed. So you're saying maybe try plugging them to separate cards?
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Re: Probably a simple fix but.....
2014/03/22 02:06:18
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I do this all the time with. Ff 800 and a focusrite Octopre Platinum plus. Connect the word clock between the 2 devices so that the 800 is the master. Connect the ADAT out of the 828 to the ADAT in of the 800. Make sure you make the software setting in the Motu so that it sends it's inputs to the ADAT out. Then Sonar will see the FF 800 as well as ADAT 1 thru 8 they being the 8 inputs from your Motu 828. Only the Ff800 needs a FireWire connection after you've setup the Motu to send its inputs to its own ADAT out.
post edited by mudgel - 2014/03/22 02:50:17
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