X3e wheel weirdness

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2014/03/20 23:07:12 (permalink)

X3e wheel weirdness

Don't know what's going on yet.  But something weird with the wheel setting.  Recording trumpet patch (like usual) on playback it's wacked sometimes, depending on where I start playback.  Have to manually insert a zero wheel point.  It's weird the only thing I've changed is the e patch.  Will explore further.
 

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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/20 23:31:18 (permalink)
    Absolutely something weird going on.  With track soloed, midi note pitch may very depending on where I start it up.  No wheel events in sight in the soloed track.  No clue.  Never seen (heard:-)) anything like it.
     

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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/20 23:35:56 (permalink)
    maybe Preferences > Project > MIDI "Zero Controllers When Play Stops" is what you are looking for
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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/21 22:25:02 (permalink)
    Good thought but dig it, track solo'd and no wheel control information in sight!  Not just one track too.  Same test, same effect can happen on another track.  Very odd.  If it's real, others will find also.  But in the meantime, is there a way to back out patch e without re-installing it all?
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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/21 22:37:15 (permalink)
    What synth are you using?  is it vst3?

     
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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/22 15:44:49 (permalink)
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    What synth are you using?  is it vst3?


     
    Garritan Aria Player VST2



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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/23 00:05:08 (permalink)
    which trumpet - from garritan personal orchestra 4?  more info we have makes it easier like
    "i'm using aria player version x.nn from garritan as a multi-timbral synth
    i load the <insert patch name here> and record some notes moving the pitch wheel and the following happens
    <insert following here>"


    sounds to me like you've removed all wheel data but the patch is still out of tune or drifting in tune. that's an assumption on my part, is that correct?  

     
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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/23 22:50:51 (permalink)
    It's not just the trumpet :-)  Seems any of the instruments I have loaded into it.  It's annoying but I just drop in a zero wheel when it happens and that fixes it.
     
    So what do I think.?.  I think controllers aren't be zeroed.  Or something far worse and goofier.  And it's dependent on where I start playback (and I've looked and looked to make sure nothing else is causing it).  It's not life-threatening so as I'm very busy I'm living with it for the moment.

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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/24 00:25:40 (permalink)
    just to be clear we're talking pitch wheel and not mod wheel right?  pitch wheel should zero but mod wheel won't.  i wish i could check, but my keyboard stopped working the other night and it's basically a big paperweight right now. 

     
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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/24 19:43:33 (permalink)
    Correct, pitch wheel, though I use the mod wheel to control volume per the Garritan way.  But I'm doing nothing different than I've ever done.
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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/24 22:09:09 (permalink)
    So I isolated a single track little ditti that demonstrates the problem.  It would require Aria Player 1.0.2 (2009) and I'm using GPO violin 1 Sol KS, though I don't think it's sample dependent.
     
    So if I play the ditti straight through, it's fine.  If I start it at a certain location, it's off pitch.  Nothing else in the track except a mod event for volume.
     
    I suspect the answer is get a newer Player, though, it's not that old and has always treated me nice.  Don't think I can attach a file here anymore, can I?
     
     
    post edited by xxrich - 2014/03/24 22:17:01

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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/03/26 20:57:56 (permalink)
    shoot me a file, i'll take a look 
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    Re: X3e wheel weirdness 2014/04/03 21:22:11 (permalink)
    swamptooth
    shoot me a file, i'll take a look 
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    Just saw your reply and have just sent you a sample of the challenge :-)
    -rich

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