Lost computer speed

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2014/03/23 11:52:29 (permalink)

Lost computer speed

Taking the advice from the Sonar x2 tutorials, I decided to add an external hard drive. I added a new 4 tb hard drive. I found that Sonar now needs about 2 seconds to process every single click I make where it never needed time before. I am getting sick of that little circlely thing swirling around.  I have both audio and project files being saved in the external hard drive. I am assuming that the delay is the info being saved or process to the hard drive.  Has anyone else had this issue? Is there a way to speed things up?
 
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    Kalle Rantaaho
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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 12:16:07 (permalink)
    How fast is the external one - 5400, 7200 or 10 000 rpm? What brand? Not one of the energy saving "green" ones?
    I'm not an expert but I wonder if the search times of those gigantic HDDs are as good as those of the more moderate size? 

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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 13:37:31 (permalink)
    Hi - I'm not sure which tutorials you were watching, but when most of us add an external drive, it is NOT used to store 'active projects', those that we are currently working on.
     
    We use the external drives for backing up project folders, and some use them for placing some of their sample libraries there (I don't recommend placing sample libraries on an external drive, for performance reasons, but for some folks they just don't have enough room on their internal drives).
     
    Do you have enough room on your internal drive(s) to keep your current projects there?
     
    Please explain how many drives you currently have, and what kinds of things are on each one.
     
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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 14:09:43 (permalink)
    +1. I missed that project location part.
    Yes. If you have SONAR on your internal HDD and the projects on the external one your data traffic gets inevitably delayed. Having SONAR and the project files on the  C-drive (internal) and sample libraries and audio on the external should work better. That 1 Tb internal HDD should be much more than sufficient unless you have other heavy uses for it (video, picture editing).
    Project files are quite small so they don't require huge space reserve like project audio, which can be several gigas per project.

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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 14:46:51 (permalink)
    How fast is the external one - 5400, 7200 or 10 000 rpm? What brand? Western Digital (but manual says Hitachi)
    This is all I could find for the speed:
    USB 3.0 Interface
    USB 3.0 supports data transfer rates up to 5 Gb/s. USB 3.0 is backward compatible
    with USB 2.0. Connection to a USB 2.0 port transfers data at the port speed—up to
    480 Mb/s
     
     
    "I'm not sure which tutorials you were watching"
    I downloaded the 50 video series from Cakewalk (SWA Complete Sonar x2, video #6 (totally worth the $20)).
     
     The person on the video talks about storage for the "Project Files" and makes the comment:
    "and there will be some benefit here for using a different drive to your system drive"
    So I assumed he was saying that an external drive was better for storing project files. I will have to change it back.
     
    Do you have enough room on your internal drive(s) to keep your current projects there?
    I have a total of 996GB on my internal C drive and I have 667GB of free space right now.

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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 14:55:40 (permalink)
    A different drive to your system drive doesn't mean an external drive. Internally mounted drives are, as a rule, (a lot) faster than drives connected through USB or Firewire.
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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 14:57:38 (permalink)
    Two seconds is an eternity, and cannot be explained by drive or interface speed limitations of any modern external drive. Most people do not use an external drive because they are concerned that millisecond delays will affect real time audio streaming. If this were a problem with the read/write speed of the drive or interface, I would expect your audio would be massacred. I am assuming the interface is some kind of USB, and on a new 4TB drive it is presumably USB3, which should not produce a delay longer than milliseconds. If your external drive is set to spin down to save energy (either in the drive itself or the controller built into the external enclosure) that might explain a long delay, as it would need to spin up again to access data. Much less likely would be a very severe connection problem so that data has to be re-sent many times. Or the problem could be with how the OS itself is operating after you attach the drive. 
     
    Does the problem go away when the external drive is not attached ie booted with the drive detached? Is it just Sonar or does every program you run show this problem?
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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 14:59:33 (permalink)
    Yes an internal drive is what the video means (if not explicitly said). And at least 7200rpm.

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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 14:59:40 (permalink)
    Sanderxpander
    A different drive to your system drive doesn't mean an external drive. Internally mounted drives are, as a rule, (a lot) faster than drives connected through USB or Firewire.

    AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH. I get it. I only have a C drive it looks like. Rats.

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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 15:05:39 (permalink)
    FOR SALE: (1) Slightly used WD 4TB external hard drive (not to be confused with an internal hard drive :))
     

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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 16:51:42 (permalink)
    Don't get rid of it - use it for backups.
     
    Just go and buy a regular internal HDD for your projects - 7200 rpm or higher, no "green" versions - I've had great success with WD Caviar blacks

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    Re: Lost computer speed 2014/03/23 17:02:18 (permalink)
    Bristol_Jonesey
    Don't get rid of it - use it for backups.
     
    Just go and buy a regular internal HDD for your projects - 7200 rpm or higher, no "green" versions - I've had great success with WD Caviar blacks


    Sweet...Thanks. I will grab one.

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