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Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard?

I am looking into a new build (by the way my old system-the one shown below- is running sonar x3e 64 bit decent. I did install win 7)   the i7 4770 seems to be going for about $270.  Is there an AMD that is close in performance?
The AMD processors are signifigantly cheaper.  But since I haven't built a system in 6-7 years I don't mind spending a little more if I have to.  I also want to do some video editing on this machine.  
   So I am just looking for some recommendations for cpu and mother board.   I also have a mackie blackbird onyx firewire interface in addition to the delta 1010s (yes I know they are becoming obsolete but they still work).  So if I plan to use the firewire interface I will probably need to get a pci card for that as it seems firewire isn't on most new mother boards
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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/24 14:48:46 (permalink)
I'd say: yes.
 
Here's where I go for up-to-date info on CPUs and GPUs: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html
 
According to what I see there, the 4770K (don't forget the 'K') is the fastest CPU you can get without breaking $310 U.S. Anything faster, even only slightly faster, is going to run you at least twice the money.
 
As for motherboards, I've had two Gigabyte boards that developed bad USB 3.0 ports within the first few months of use (very soon after I was past the "easily returned to retailer" date, in fact) and so I'm steering clear of them until I hear some really remarkable reviews.
 
Just make sure you get a motherboard with the correct socket (LGA1150) and everything should be cool. I swear by Asus ATM.
 

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/24 15:27:16 (permalink)
I am very happy with my AsRock OC Forumula and the quality of components that AsRock used in this board.......they've improved a lot on quality + feature for the price. However, I'm using the previous version (Z77 with my i3770k) and I think the Z87 is about $100 more. 
Along with ASUS & Gigabyte boards, checkout the AsRock boards as you should be able to get more bang for the buck........the Z87 Fatal1ty Killer got some good reviews and is going for around $129.
 
I would definitely go with the i7 even though it costs more, as it's a better proven product than the AMD. The i7 should also work really well with video/audio editing.
Pick out good (quiet) quality components, and the sum of all these should produce a good quiet DAW that should last you at least 5-7 years.....which is my goal.....:)) 
 
Here's a Fatal1ty review with a 4770k showing its peformance on video encoding and transcoding: http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/asrock_z87_fatality_killer_review,13.html 
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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/24 15:46:21 (permalink)
Ok thanks.  Yeah  my last one is still working well after 5 to 7 years.  So I would be very happy to get that out of this new one.  

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/24 15:54:12 (permalink)
I also found this Z87 review on the major board manufactures and the Asus Z87 Pro got a Silver Award at AnandTech:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6989/intel-z87-motherboard-review-with-haswell-gigabyte-msi-asrock-and-asus-at-200/25
 
So, lot's of choices, depending on budget/features.......as you can see, I get a lot of enjoyment in looking at these too (my wife doesn't undertand this passion though....LOL)
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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/24 16:11:03 (permalink)
The MB listed in my specs has a firewire port.
Happy as a pig in ....... well you know, with this rig.
 
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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/24 16:15:07 (permalink)
Oh, sorry I just saw you're going with the 4770. Not sure if my mobo would work.
On my phone so I cant look up specs right now.
 
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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/25 04:42:08 (permalink)
I've just built a new system with a 4770K and an Asus Z87-K.
 
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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/25 05:54:39 (permalink)
Thanks everyone!!
 

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/25 17:52:55 (permalink)
Isee tiger direct has a combo of the i7 4770 and Asus Z87 plus for 489.00  micro center has a a couple combos with the z87 for under 400.  one for about 360 and another for 385.  neither of them are the "plus"  so what is the difference?  is tiger direct that over priced?

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/25 18:30:39 (permalink)
did you bother to price out the listed motherboard separately to see the difference

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/26 09:47:09 (permalink)
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Isee tiger direct has a combo of the i7 4770 and Asus Z87 plus for 489.00  micro center has a a couple combos with the z87 for under 400.  one for about 360 and another for 385.  neither of them are the "plus"  so what is the difference?  is tiger direct that over priced?


From the little I checked (Newegg, Amazon, Micro Center etc..), Tiger Direct has the best deal on that combo....the i7 is a 4770k and the board is Asus Z87 Plus (not the Pro). The Plus seems to have 6 more USB ports than the Pro.
 
If you buy it seperately from different vendors, you can save about $48: the Asus Pro MB is $167 (after $15 rebate) at NCIX and the i7 4770k is $269 at Micro Center (in store pick up only). So, you'll need to shop around a bit.
 
I found this site to be very helpful when picking PC components:  http://pcpartpicker.com/
It shows the best prices for a lot of major vendors.

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/26 13:15:51 (permalink)
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did you bother to price out the listed motherboard separately to see the difference


I did. that mobo seems to go for around 160 to 170.  the processor I have seen for 270 to 340 or so   thanks

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/26 13:18:17 (permalink)
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Isee tiger direct has a combo of the i7 4770 and Asus Z87 plus for 489.00  micro center has a a couple combos with the z87 for under 400.  one for about 360 and another for 385.  neither of them are the "plus"  so what is the difference?  is tiger direct that over priced?


From the little I checked (Newegg, Amazon, Micro Center etc..), Tiger Direct has the best deal on that combo....the i7 is a 4770k and the board is Asus Z87 Plus (not the Pro). The Plus seems to have 6 more USB ports than the Pro.
 
If you buy it seperately from different vendors, you can save about $48: the Asus Pro MB is $167 (after $15 rebate) at NCIX and the i7 4770k is $269 at Micro Center (in store pick up only). So, you'll need to shop around a bit.
 
I found this site to be very helpful when picking PC components:  http://pcpartpicker.com/
It shows the best prices for a lot of major vendors.


Great site.  thanks!

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/26 21:00:36 (permalink)
I had just upgraded to i7 4770 2 weeks ago with MSI Z89-G41 MOBO. It has 2 PCI socket because I am using M-audio 2496 soundcard. It is working fine and I can use the smallest latency setting which is 128 samples. I also have a Roland UA25EX usb audio/midi interface with which I can use the lowest latency. 

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/03/27 12:57:33 (permalink)
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I had just upgraded to i7 4770 2 weeks ago with MSI Z89-G41 MOBO. It has 2 PCI socket because I am using M-audio 2496 soundcard. It is working fine and I can use the smallest latency setting which is 128 samples. I also have a Roland UA25EX usb audio/midi interface with which I can use the lowest latency. 


thank you   glad its working good for ya

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/04/01 14:33:49 (permalink)
Hi. I have never built a PC before and couldn't be happier now. I was going down the AMD route to get a cheep dedicated DAW but I went for the i7 4770k after going to buy a nearly new board and AMD chip, the guy had tried a DAW build with the chip and board but they weren't utting it, that made my mind up.
A word of caution. I went for mATX size (Areocool Dead Silent) and got the Asus Gryphon with the armour kit which makes it solid for getting all the components on and securing the heat-sink, helping thermals and keeping dust out. My PC is working a treat but getting my head round the over clock was tough but there are good tutorials.
Anyway, the i7 4770k is a flawed processor, and heats up a lot, so you end up having to get a big cooler. This is partly due to poor connection between the dye and IHS, a lot of people delid them and replace the crap thermal gunk with cool-labs stuff, again good guides on the net, I am about to do mine. The delid reduces temps from 10-20+ degrees meaning less fan is needed and more ghz can be gotten.
Intel have announced a new CPU will be released in the summer, without the poor design, runnaway heat and sloppy build of the 4770k's and are promising 5.00ghz with low temps. The 4770k's are also very variable and there are crappy batch numbers to avoid. I got mine (before realising all this stuff) from Amazon and it is an OKish middle of the road chip.  

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/04/02 05:17:26 (permalink)
That's a lot of good info there, makaze. Sorry you had to get it the hard way.
As one of the people who recommended the 4770k, I apologize. I sincerely didn't know any of this and, since I don't own one but was going by Intel's other CPUs I've owned, I should have kept my opinions to myself. Next time, I will.

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/04/02 06:16:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby rontarrant 2014/04/02 19:31:58
Ron no apology necessary at all. I needed a new PC NOW, my last one was 10 year old, the i7 4770K IS the best way to go in my opinion from all research. They ALL clock upto 4.2ghz, then it's a lottery how high you can go. The over-clocking is easy to perform and 70% of 4770k's clock up to 4.5ghz. I'm happy with my new PC, I built it, it's fast, quiet, and I feel in control of it. This has been one of the most worthwhile projects I have done, alongside building my own tube amps. If I had gone down the AMD route I'd be regretting it. I always buy DELL, this PC would have cost me £1300,  I have saved over £400 from my normal purchase methods and have full user friendly control of the whole PC because the new style UEFI interface IS child's play.
I would wait till summer for the new chip if a new DAW was't urgent. If it is urgent then 4770k all the way.
 
What I would recommend is DON'T purchase the CPU from cheaper on-line stores, e.g Amazon. Intel KNOW how batches perform. If you were a sales guy what sort of chips would you sell Amazon? Specialist PC stores are the way to go and hope you get lucky and get a low heat 5.00ghz one. Also avoid any open box, like new, never fitted sales on ebay, they are poor clockers people are offloading. I went to several ebay sales to try and save money, but I can spot a liar and they all were. If you are buying a sealed box from someone check all seals are genuine and intact. Any scruffy box sale could also be a way of hiding the fact the CPU has been fitted and is poor. 
 
Intel also offer a 1 year-no quibble CPU swap should your amateur clocking attempts result in you degrading or destroying the chip. This over clocking insurance costs $25 direct from Intel. For me, that was the deal maker. They send you good ones in return for your damaged ones. Cooooool.

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/04/02 19:35:09 (permalink)
Holy crap! That IS cool. Definitely something to keep in mind next time I'm upgrading. Thanks for sharing!

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/04/03 14:18:22 (permalink)
Yes  thanks for that.  Maybe I will hold out before going with the  i7 4770.  

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/04/03 16:32:42 (permalink)
Intel also offer a 1 year-no quibble CPU swap should your amateur clocking attempts result in you degrading or destroying the chip

 
completely pointless. the processors have built in thermal diodes so you cant fry them long gone are the old days when you could actually fry a chip..
they already have a 3 yr warranty anyway..

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/04/03 20:05:01 (permalink)
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Intel also offer a 1 year-no quibble CPU swap should your amateur clocking attempts result in you degrading or destroying the chip

 
completely pointless. the processors have built in thermal diodes so you cant fry them long gone are the old days when you could actually fry a chip..
they already have a 3 yr warranty anyway..


so in your opinion, it isn't necessary to wait for the newer processor?

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/04/04 12:54:36 (permalink)
I was talking about the intel warranty for over clocking..
what new processor? only thing coming is the newer Haswell-E late summer.
the budget haswells have already been refreshed. (sorta) 4771 instead of 4770
4770K is still what you buy for OCing.

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Re: Is I7 4770 the way to go for a new build? If so what is a good motherboard? 2014/04/04 23:31:57 (permalink)
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I was talking about the intel warranty for over clocking..
what new processor? only thing coming is the newer Haswell-E late summer.
the budget haswells have already been refreshed. (sorta) 4771 instead of 4770
4770K is still what you buy for OCing.


the one makaze mentioned that was coming late summer.  Im just gonna go with the 4770

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