Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question

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2014/04/01 00:26:39 (permalink)

Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question

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I don't understand the Analyzer in the Procurve EQ.  Why do I see frequencies showing (in darker grey) that fall outside the scope of my EQ plot (white line)?   Please see image below.  I am concerned with the dark grey under the red arrow I drew in.   Why would that frequency play if I specifically told the HPF to cut off before then?

I was thinking "is that what WOULD be playing if EQ was off?"  but then I thought.. "can't be, because as I move the EQ those "shadows" if you will kind of follow what I am doing, but always stays beyond the HPF point.

It's probably simple.



 
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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/01 02:14:40 (permalink)
    The frequency spectrum is not limited by the outline of the curve. The curve is just an indication of how much boost or cut is being applied at given frequency vs a flat line at 0dB (no boost or cut). And the spectrum is being measured against the meter scales on the outside of the meters where 0dB is at the top, and the middle of the scale is at -36dB.
     
    If you had a white noise signal peaking at 0dB all across the spectrum, and you rolled off the highs and lows as you have indicated, you'd only be seeing a maximum of a 12dB cut at 40Hz and 6kHz. Note where -12dB is on the meter scales and you'll see that your signal would still be well outside the curve everywhere.
     
    EDIT: Oops. Looks like I got that a little wrong. The spectrum power doesn't use the meter scale. But the cut that you see in the spectrum follows that scale more closely than the boost/cut scale, so the reduction in the spectrum is still proportionally smaller than the reduction in the curve.
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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/01 07:34:51 (permalink)
     
     
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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/01 22:13:30 (permalink)
    Thanks for the info... so there is no way for me to totally eliminate everything below 40 Hz or so to get rid of the "boom" factor?   

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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/01 22:19:19 (permalink)
    I would imagine MEqualizer with a band set to 120db/octave would do it if that is what you really want to do.
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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/01 22:21:26 (permalink)
    scook
    I would imagine MEqualizer with a band set to 120db/octave would do it if that is what you really want to do.


    Hi Scook,
     
    so we need an outside program to do proper EQ?

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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/01 22:30:19 (permalink)
    No, that is not what I am suggesting. The EQs supplied by SONAR are very good but if one has a requirement to "totally eliminate everything below 40 HZ" there are solutions provided by third party vendors such as the MFreeEffectBundle which one may want to consider. Using a 120db/octave filter is pretty extreme though.
    post edited by scook - 2014/04/01 23:10:24
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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/02 00:20:59 (permalink)
    aglewis723
    Thanks for the info... so there is no way for me to totally eliminate everything below 40 Hz or so to get rid of the "boom" factor?   



    Can you still hear the "boom" with that steep rolloff? My guess is that most listeners would not.

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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/02 01:44:13 (permalink)
    To answer the OP's question what is shown is the "curve shadow". That is the frequencies are shown but the darker part still lets one see the full frequencies but showing that they have been attenuated by the EQ curve. This is a guess on my part but I believe it to be correct.  If you make a more complex curve with more than just one overlapping area you will see that the darker frequencies follow the curve. 

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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/02 02:29:15 (permalink)
    Can you not chain eq's?
     

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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/02 02:54:14 (permalink)
    On taking a second look at this, I think the apparent failure of the the lowpass filter to be as effective as expected is likely due to the relatively small "block" size being used to calculate the spectrum using Fourier analysis.
     
    Without getting too deeply into it, in order to calculate the amplitude at a given frequency you have to sample a "block" of time that encompasses at least one full cycle at that frequency, and the more you have, the more precise the result is. At these very low frequencies, a typical block size of 2048 samples won't even include a full cycle of 20Hz sampled at 44.1kHz (1/20 * 44,100 = 2205).
     
    Voxengo Span uses a default block size of  2048 samples, and the spectrum roll-off with the LP filter enabled looks very similar to your screenshot. But if I crank the sample size up to 8192 or 16384 in the Spectrum Mode Editor, the filter starts to look a lot more effective with a much steeper roll-off of the spectrum "shadow". The downside is that the spectrum can't be updated as frequently with a larger block size so the display isn't as smooth. 
     
    So, basically, this is another case where you need to use your ears instead of your eyes. The actual audible result will be much better than what's being displayed.

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    Re: Quadcurve EQ Analyzer Question 2014/04/08 08:39:26 (permalink)
    Thanks Aglewis723 for posting your pic and question.
     
    I agree with the OP on this EQ thing.  Perhaps he and I expected it to work like the EQ in Logic Pro?  If anything the Groove3 videos have taught us, we should not only use our ears to listen, but we should also visually and surgically remove unwanted stuff in headroom-eating freq zones!
     
    It is indeed strange that despite a high roll-off slope (48db*), low freqs still "visually" slip through and it is very deceiving.
     
    * 48dB is ridiculously steep. What is that...like 8 poles? Shoot, if done with analog, it would be an extreme circuit!
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