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2014/04/15 06:51:05 (permalink)

MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think)

8.1.1 or die (apparently):
http://www.theregister.co...t_is_already_obsolete/

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 07:06:50 (permalink)
It's telling that they're going to stop supporting XP (from 12 years ago) at the same time...
 
Always go for the odd numbered versions!

 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 07:15:51 (permalink)
Ultimately in order for one to keep Windows current one needs to keep Windows current. It really is not a big deal just common sense. 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 07:26:46 (permalink)
I wonder if that will make the 2 Win 8 full licences that I have obsolete? I mean if I don't update to 8.1.1 by a certain time then I can't update any further than 8.1. Guess I'll have to contact MS.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 07:27:50 (permalink)
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Ultimately in order for one to keep Windows current one needs to keep Windows current. It really is not a big deal just common sense. 


Worth repeating.  : )

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 08:54:59 (permalink)
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I wonder if that will make the 2 Win 8 full licences that I have obsolete? I mean if I don't update to 8.1.1 by a certain time then I can't update any further than 8.1. Guess I'll have to contact MS.



I don't read it that way (check the article again).
All it means is you have to update to 8.1.1 or whatever to receive further updates. I don't see them withdrawing the 8.1.1 patch.
This saves them time and money testing fixes for earlier OS's. I'm surprised they are not doing the same with Windows 7 to be honest (maybe they will later), it makes a lot of sense to me to have a baseline version every six months or so.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 14:12:32 (permalink)
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I wonder if that will make the 2 Win 8 full licences that I have obsolete? I mean if I don't update to 8.1.1 by a certain time then I can't update any further than 8.1. Guess I'll have to contact MS.



I don't read it that way (check the article again).
All it means is you have to update to 8.1.1 or whatever to receive further updates. I don't see them withdrawing the 8.1.1 patch.
This saves them time and money testing fixes for earlier OS's. I'm surprised they are not doing the same with Windows 7 to be honest (maybe they will later), it makes a lot of sense to me to have a baseline version every six months or so.




Yeah, this. ^
 
And keep in mind that there's a new sheriff in town running the show, so this may be a reflexion of that.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 16:24:17 (permalink)
This sounds like if you have a Windows 8 DVD and need to re-install you will not be able to update it.  Sounds like drive images will be the only way to re-install it then.  Not good.
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 17:37:57 (permalink)
@VintageVibe Again I dont think so. #6.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 17:46:37 (permalink)
They are putting a stake in the ground and moving forward. It does come across as arrogant but I see their logic.  

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 18:07:13 (permalink)
Great , I'm running Windows 8 64 bit on a lap top I just bought 5 months ago and now I get the privilege of getting strong armed into having to update ….or else loose all support from Microsoft 
OK I can clearly see where I'm heading with this 
 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 18:38:13 (permalink)
Look, they said XP support was going to stop in 2008 or thereabouts then it was 2012, now it's 2015...truth be told the packages for XP SP3 will still be available probs in 2020!!
 
Jeez if you hunt hard enough I daresay even Windows 98 SPs are still somewhere (jmo )
 
People should not panic and you won't HAVE to upgrade to 8.1.1 for future upgrades to the W8 platform. This has a lot to do with Auto-Updating. Much the same as you can still get XP upgrades (up to when it stopped) but NOT via the Windows Update applet in Windows. 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 18:39:14 (permalink)
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Great , I'm running Windows 8 64 bit on a lap top I just bought 5 months ago and now I get the privilege of getting strong armed into having to update ….or else loose all support from Microsoft 
OK I can clearly see where I'm heading with this 
 
Kenny


No offence, but wrong!
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 18:40:32 (permalink)
There is no reason to think that you can no longer upgrade from Windows 8.0 to Windows 8.1 via the usual upgrade path:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/update-from-windows-8-tutorial
 
After you have 8.1 installed, you should be able to install the 8.1 update (KB 2919355) via Windows Update:
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-8/install-latest-update-windows-8-1
 
This is more confusing than it needs to be. The KB 2919355 update is just a required update for all future updates. There is nothing new or unusual about MS offering a windows update upon which at least some future updates are dependent. But in effect, if you are not going to install this update, you will not be able to install any other updates until you have installed this one.
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 18:42:50 (permalink)
And further, this is just some opinion piece (imo ) from someone who is probs deliberately misquoting to infer the greatest sense of panic and gravitas to the story.
 
If you are THAT concerned, rather than relying on silly opportunistic stories like this one, speak to the butcher and not the block - go to the source and ask MS yourself.
 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 18:50:21 (permalink)
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Great , I'm running Windows 8 64 bit on a lap top I just bought 5 months ago and now I get the privilege of getting strong armed into having to update ….or else loose all support from Microsoft 
OK I can clearly see where I'm heading with this 
 
Kenny


No offence, but wrong!




wrong or not it makes no difference to me any more at this point 
my absolute preference has and always will be to keep my DAW off the net period unless I have to update my music software 
what about that do you not understand ?
 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 19:15:06 (permalink)
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@VintageVibe Again I dont think so. #6.


I hope you're right.
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 19:41:07 (permalink)
The way I understand this is that Windows 8.1 Upgrade (or 8.1.1 if you like) was a massive update, over a gigabyte of download data and just about every OS kernel file was altered. I don't know why so many changes were needed to support the desktop experience.
 
At any rate, one of these changes was to Windows Update itself. So to keep on using the newer updates you need to have the latest version of Windows update.
 
For such a massive change, I would expect it to be wise to keep up with where MS is going with Windows 8 or just play it safe and stay with Windows 7 for a while longer.
 
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C:\Windows\System32\spp.dll
C:\Windows\System32\sppc.dll
C:\Windows\System32\spwizeng.dll
C:\Windows\System32\sqmapi.dll
C:\Windows\System32\srchadmin.dll
C:\Windows\System32\srclient.dll
C:\Windows\System32\stobject.dll
C:\Windows\System32\storagewmi.dll
C:\Windows\System32\sud.dll
C:\Windows\System32\sxproxy.dll
C:\Windows\System32\sxshared.dll
C:\Windows\System32\taskeng.exe
C:\Windows\System32\tdh.dll
C:\Windows\System32\themecpl.dll
C:\Windows\System32\themeui.dll
C:\Windows\System32\thumbcache.dll
C:\Windows\System32\timedate.cpl
C:\Windows\System32\tquery.dll
C:\Windows\System32\tsgqec.dll
C:\Windows\System32\twinapi.appcore.dll
C:\Windows\System32\twinapi.dll
C:\Windows\System32\twinui.appcore.dll
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C:\Windows\System32\untfs.dll
C:\Windows\System32\urlmon.dll
C:\Windows\System32\user32.dll
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C:\Windows\System32\userenv.dll
C:\Windows\System32\uxtheme.dll
C:\Windows\System32\vbscript.dll
C:\Windows\System32\w32tm.exe
C:\Windows\System32\webservices.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wer.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wermgr.exe
C:\Windows\System32\werui.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wimgapi.dll
C:\Windows\System32\winbrand.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wincorlib.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wininet.dll
C:\Windows\System32\winmde.dll
C:\Windows\System32\winsku.dll
C:\Windows\System32\winspool.drv
C:\Windows\System32\wintrust.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wlanapi.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wlangpui.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wlanhlp.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wlanmsm.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wlidcli.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wlidcredprov.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wlidprov.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wmp.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wscapi.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wscinterop.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wscui.cpl
C:\Windows\System32\wuapi.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wuapp.exe
C:\Windows\System32\wudriver.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wups.dll
C:\Windows\System32\wusa.exe
C:\Windows\System32\wuwebv.dll
C:\Windows\System32\zipfldr.dll
C:\Windows\explorer.exe
 
 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 19:49:46 (permalink)
How many of you do not update Windows? I do it all the time. In fact I update whenever there is an update. Its free and it often means a better OS. New features and better security. And bugs are fixed. I don't understand the reluctance to update. Nor do I get the dooms day response for not updating. When MS offers a service pact it follows that in order to keep current you need to install service packs. Windows 8.1 was a service pack and you cant update from 8 to 8.1.1 without it. What is so awful about that? 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 19:55:05 (permalink)
When I see things like the DISM change above, I am reminded of the way they may change future installs using a Windows image file in a locked partition and just make hard links to stuff in the image file.
 
I don't understand what is intended, maybe a decrease in footprint size for smaller devices, or maybe some security features.
 
Perhaps the Windows Update will just make image changes only?
 
If anyone has better info on these plans I'd like to read up on them
 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 20:01:14 (permalink)
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How many of you do not update Windows? I do it all the time. In fact I update whenever there is an update. Its free and it often means a better OS. New features and better security. And bugs are fixed. I don't understand the reluctance to update. Nor do I get the dooms day response for not updating. When MS offers a service pact it follows that in order to keep current you need to install service packs. Windows 8.1 was a service pack and you cant update from 8 to 8.1.1 without it. What is so awful about that? 




 
I see things both ways - I always update and I always keep things up-to-date. But I am a hobbyist/experimenter - this is not a business.
 
Based on past experience, if I were in a business, I probably would keep my audio system off the internet.
 
So if everything that I need works, just let it be until I need something new.
 
It's not just the dangers of getting smacked by internet cyberjunk, but the update process from Microsoft is not entirely risk-free.
 
This latest 8.1 Update has many victims screaming.
 
When Windows XP Service Pack 3 came out an aeon ago, my HP system died - I had an AMD system and HP imaged it with some power  feature of Intel that was never used until the update - it took a long time to rescue that system and I've been very careful about imaging my system before every Patch Tuesday since that time.
 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 23:44:21 (permalink)
My DAW sat happily off the internet for more than a year. It worked. I only dragged it downstairs once because I installed Wave Lab which requires internet activation. I ran updates at that time.. I got half way through them and unplugged it as it was taking way to long. They were all security bug fixes so a big waist of time for me. 
What are updates for unless something is broken? Nothing was broken.. An OS is not as important as far as running a couple of programs go. If the software runs smoothly why on earth would you worry about an update ?  I just ran through the re -install process and it took almost 20 hours to run all the stupid updates. Now my DAW`can go hide in the attic for another year or so. 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/15 23:57:59 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby chefmike8888 2014/04/16 09:42:39
I don't care...I have Windows 7-64 bit on my computer and everything is working just fine...I don't need no stinkin' update. 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 03:17:02 (permalink)
John
How many of you do not update Windows? I do it all the time. In fact I update whenever there is an update. Its free and it often means a better OS. New features and better security. And bugs are fixed. I don't understand the reluctance to update. Nor do I get the dooms day response for not updating. When MS offers a service pact it follows that in order to keep current you need to install service packs. Windows 8.1 was a service pack and you cant update from 8 to 8.1.1 without it. What is so awful about that? 




Me too. But on at least one occasion a Windows Update killed my MS Office (confirmed by Microsoft after some resistence). Removing the update restored function but it was quite a while before MS fixed the offending update, so that their own software was not damaged. This is not a unique experience.  So many programs are running on so many systems, that it is almost inevitable that someone is going to get hurt by an automatic update. You need to be clear about what has been done to your computer, or you will not be able to fix it if that happens. You will not even know that it was an update that broke it.
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 06:04:09 (permalink)
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So many programs are running on so many systems, that it is almost inevitable that someone is going to get hurt by an automatic update. You need to be clear about what has been done to your computer, or you will not be able to fix it if that happens. You will not even know that it was an update that broke it.




 
That's what backups are for.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 06:09:18 (permalink)
I can't prove that Windows updates killed any of my computers , yet that doesn't change how I feel about keeping my primary DAW 's  off line 
one thing I know for a fact is I used to have duplicates of my DAW in lighter configurations ,
meaning , I would put SONAR and some of my favorite music software applications on a double duty / workstation / internet computer ,  keep it current / updated and try to use it for everything ….
 
in the past 5 years , I've had 2 somewhat decent mid level desktops and one high end lap top just die on me 
(I know what I'm doing …I'm not stupid )
anyway , after going through all that  ….all the convincing I ever needed  was right here under my own nose ….
 
autonomy is a cool concept as long as there is respect and understanding involved
you do what you got to do , I'm gonna do what I got to do 
 
My primary DAW stays off line ...unless  i need to update my music software 
 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 09:11:53 (permalink)
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I wonder if that will make the 2 Win 8 full licences that I have obsolete? I mean if I don't update to 8.1.1 by a certain time then I can't update any further than 8.1. Guess I'll have to contact MS.

I'd be curious to know the answer to this, too.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 09:40:21 (permalink)
windows xp was very long past its original end of life date. The debacle known as Vista and pressure from major corporate users forced MS to continue to this 2014 date (and nothing new about this, 2014 has been publically the end of life date for xp for a few years).
 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 09:54:22 (permalink)
As of April 8 (last week) the final patch for XP was released. Even if these patches are still available for the next ten years, they won't reflect security issues that come up after 2014/04/08.
If you read the numbers quoted in the article cited by the OP, Windows users break down like this:
  • XP - 27.69%
  • W7 - 48.77%
  • W8.1 (April update) - 4.89%
  • W8 - 6.41%
  • everyone else (w8.1 not updated and, presumably, Vista) - 12.24%
That means Microsoft just abandoned more people (XP users) than they're currently supporting for Windows 8 in all its variations (W8, W8.1 and W8.1 April update). If you add up all W8x users (4.89% plus 6.41%) along with the leftovers (12.24%) and somehow figure out how to drop Vista users out of the 23.54% that comes to, you've got somewhere between 10% and 20% of all Windows users who are using W8, W8.1 and W8.1AU.
 
That's a pretty risky move for Microsoft, abandoning so many of their long-time users. It's only going to work out well for them if they can keep it under wraps that they just abandoned almost a third of their users. Otherwise, they could have a user revolution on their hands and be forced to reinstate support for XP.
 
As someone else stated earlier in this thread, support for XP was supposed to end years ago. Why didn't it? Because Microsoft would have been taking too much of a risk.
 
Ending support for XP now had better work out or Satya Nadella may find himself in the same unemployment line as Steve Ballmer. The so-called Data Culture he's pushing could work with the XP OS, but would be restricted in ways that no one is talking about, ways that are built into Vista, W7 and W8. XP, you see, was the last Microsoft OS that didn't install .NET as part of the base operating system. And .NET is what makes the Data Culture possible. Anyone still using XP isn't required to buy into the Data Culture mindset. All they have to do is uninstall (or not install in the first place) any .NET redistribution packages.
 
But for musicians, the bottom line is this: if you're using XP for an offline music mixing machine, you should be able to use it risk-free for an long as you want. You won't have to worry about Trojan horses, spyware or viruses if you download files on a different computer and sneaker-net them over to your music computer. Just unplug that Ethernet cable, yank out those wireless client drivers and cards and keep on keeping on.
 
The only thing you have to worry about is when Cakewalk abandons XP.
 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 10:45:36 (permalink)
I believe that Cakewalk abandoned XP with Sonar X2a and with X3, support Win7 and 8 only.

The thing is that developers have to stay with current OS updates and if you don't you could find your yourself with software that doesn't work properly anymore.

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