Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work

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Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work

I am working with a small video production company and we are getting a some work which is requiring voice overs.  Our current mic locker really only has shotguns and lavs which are not the best for this kind of work.
 
I am looking for recommendations in 2 price ranges, sub $500 and $500-1500.  I will likely be taking these recommendations and trying them out at an audio store.
 
Thanks in advance.

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/15 10:20:22 (permalink)
    industry standard = shure sm7
     
    i like the shure KSM44
     
    there are lots of good mics in that price range tho

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/15 10:31:19 (permalink)
    The sm7 is big in radio.  The Electrovoice RE series is another "cheap" VO mic.
     
    At the higher end, a microtech gefell is hard to beat - and great for music too.
     
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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/15 12:20:08 (permalink)
    My fiance' is on the local Classic-Rock station's morning show.
    As such, we cut a lot of VOs (both for the station and clients).
     
    We auditioned a LOT of different mics (LDCs and LDDs) when equipping our studio for VOs.
    At the station, they use nothing but the RE-20.
    We have RE-20, RE-320, and the SM-7B
    On her voice, the RE-320 is hands down the best sounding option.
    We run the RE-320 thru a GAP Pre-73 and the result is "radio ready".
    Big full sound with really articulate upper-mids... requiring no EQ
     
    The RE-320 is similar to the RE-20, but has hotter output and more of a boost in the upper-mids.
    Exactly what you'd expect from Ndym...
     
    The SM7-B is a lot "flatter" sounding.
    Doesn't sound bad on her voice... but just doesn't have the same "charisma" for lack of a better description.
    Got the SM7-B for her... but wound up keeping it for recording guitar/bass cab.
    It's better at that task than the RE-20, RE-320 (which aren't bad by any means).
     
    We tried a bunch of LDCs... but none seem to work as well (for her voice) as the RE-320.
    I suspect some of this is the fact that she's worked with RE-20s for 25 years.
    She has a very distinctive voice... to which the RE-320 is very flattering.
    Its hard to describe in a meaningful way... but you can instantly hear the difference.
     
    I was originally skeptical about the RE-320.
    It's cheaper than the RE-20 (which is the popular classic).
    The station was going to replace a lot of their RE-20s with RE-320s, so I figured we'd give it a whirl.
    For ~$300, you can't beat it.
     
    Melissa sometimes records in another local studio where they use a $99 MXL LDC.
    It works...    but it's not the RE-320.
     
     
     
     
     
     

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/15 23:08:56 (permalink)
    We use RE27's and SM7B's.  The RE27 is warmer and more forgiving than SM7B in many ways, but smooth female voices work better with the Shure I have found.  
     
    You might want to try the Cardioid AKG C214, the sure KSM44, AT4050, or the new AEA N22, for something that will not require as much gain.  The classic voice over mic, U87, is of course three+ times your budget and not really worth it in my experience.  

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/16 09:44:45 (permalink)
    Thanks for the suggestions so far, lots of mics to audition.  Keep em comin'!

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/16 12:46:16 (permalink)
    Also look at the Heil PR40...a standard in many studios where voice is a prime consideration. Dynamic,tight cardoid...and at way less than your budget. I think the RE20 is a great mic for this as well.

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/16 16:17:41 (permalink)
    The Heil microphones are awesome! And you really can't go wrong with any of the RE-20 or SM-7 families! I'm not a big fan of condenser microphones for voice-over work, but there are exceptions to every rule!!
     
    It always comes down to the combination of the voice, the space, and the microphone. Get those three right and you are home free... although preamplifiers, compressors, etc can play a role.
     
    Which means you want to audition them, in your place if possible, but for voice-over work it is quite common to have lots of isolation, so the space doesn't have to be a contributor. The voice remains critical, and if you have other artists that will be using these you've be glad if you can drag them along to the store.

    For me, meaning my voice, the RE-20 is my first choice. I'd love to get an SM-7 to have a different "flavor", and probably will one of these days. For others I have had great results with the RE-20 most often, followed by the SM-7, and an SM-58 (believe it or not!). I've used a couple of the Heil microphones and liked them a lot, and I've also used MD-421s, again with good to great results.

    This suggests, to me, that the magic for me is a dynamic microphone with some proximity effect, and a large capsule.
     
    But I could be all wet...

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/16 17:03:14 (permalink)
    I posted an embed link to an Electro Voice video describing the differences between the RE20 and the RE320 a couple months ago. It explains how the 320 isn't just a modded 20 but rather a totally new and different microphone.
     
    Now I want one. :-)


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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/17 00:57:20 (permalink)
    Funny we did a shootout at SAE Miami with about 15 different microphones for vocal recording. From an inexpensive $250 Blue condenser, to a $25,000 Brauner VM-1 Klaus Heine limited edition. The results and opinions upon listening were not as polarized as you might think! I believe that people underplay or never really learn how critical proper mic selection is. It is analogous to picking a lense in photography. Capture it right, with the correct character, tonal balance, dynamic range, and the natural compression of the diaphragm with your microphone and the processing needed is minimal. In our shootout, for the source, many chose a Shure KSM32 to the Brauner. SM-7, RE20, and now Telefunken M82 are are great voice over dynamics. My experience has been that either a Telefunken AK47 or an AR51 will capture a source very well. Each covers ground that the other does not. They are very complimentary. Peluso has a great bunch of different characteristics.
    I should be posting an article with clips from the sessions sometime this week hopefully.
     
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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/17 01:01:31 (permalink)
    For those who were not aware, nearly all of Michael Jackson's vocals on thriller were tracked with the SM7. Soundonsound did an article on these sessions.
     
     
     

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/17 14:34:20 (permalink)
    I have a KSM-32, love it, use it a LOT. For some dumb reason have not yet tried it for Voice-Over work. Now I will!
     
    Thanks for the kick in the seat of the pants!!

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/18 08:14:39 (permalink)
    MXLhas managed to make a mic like the RE 20. Copy might be too strong a term but maybe not....

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/18 08:54:44 (permalink)
    In typical SOS fashion, the article doesn't actually explain the function of the new MXL mics' appearance or the concept of Variable D when they mention that the "design of both mics clearly 'pays homage' to the classic ElectroVoice RE20 and its distinctive 'Variable-D' grille design".
     
    Ironically, the article's only mention of proximity effect: "low-end response could become a problem in some situations, though, because of the proximity effect" explains that the new MXL mics have a low cut filter to emolliate bass when the proximity effect is overwhelming.
     
    Variable D:

     
    Variable D cliff notes
     
    original Variable D patent
     
    The section titled "Two Vastly Different Types of cardiod Microphones" that begins on page 2 is an official EV explanation.


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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/18 09:09:29 (permalink)
    ... which brings us too:
     
    The reason the classic Variable D mic designs were adopted so widely for use in radio DJ booths is that the minimal proximity effect and even off axis response suited the circumstance where DJ's frequently turned off "axis" to place and cue up records on the turntables. The minimal proximity effect and the even off axis response provided a balanced frequency response even when the overall level, which was compressed by the radio engineers before actual broadcast, varied due to distance.
     
    The combination of even and balanced frequency response with a cardioid pickup pattern allowed a DJ to fidget in the booth and do the job of cueing records with minimal extraneous noise or weird frequency shifts distracting the listeners.
     
    That's why the RE20, and the Variable D family, is called an industry standard and that is why the more recently introduced Shure SM7 employs a somewhat similar grated structure to provide what Shure describes as a "Classic cardioid polar pattern, uniform with frequency and symmetrical about axis, to provide maximum rejection and minimum coloration of off-axis sound"
     
     
    ... Having said that; spinning records in a radio booth is some what different than performing voice over work, from a script, in a studio setting, and this is why you will find that there is no real "industry" standard voice over microphone, but rather a selection of good microphones that may, or may not, be ideal for any particular voice over artist.
     
     
     
    Simples.
     
     
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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/18 11:22:20 (permalink)
    Mike,
     
    Prior to auditioning mics, I thought for sure that we'd end up using a quality LCD for her VOs.
    Ironically , I didn't like any of the LDCs that we auditioned.
    Sounded too tame by comparison...
     
    In her case, 25 years of using an RE-20 is a part of the end result.
    She's extremely comfortable with that mic...
     
     

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/18 11:42:45 (permalink)
    Hi Jim,
     You are touching on another aspect of V.O. or announcement work. The performer may adapt their style to the circumstance. If you have someone that has spent years perfecting their vocal style then it makes sense that they would have some favorite gear to work on.
     
     all the best,
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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/21 10:40:30 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the suggestions.  I am planning on booking a visit to a retailer with a large selection of mics, with my talent in tow to audition these suggestions.
     
    If anyone has any others, feel free to throw them out there.

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/22 11:59:26 (permalink)
    This has been informative for me as well. I'm always looking at mics. Mike, In reference to the  Variable "D"... I wonder what the "pays homage" part of the MXL description means exactly? MXL would have to be breaching a patent unless they are somehow getting similar results using a similar but different method, unless they bought rights to the patent.

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/04/23 21:50:58 (permalink)
    FWIW...
    Another studio (where Kristie is often called to do VOs) heard the results we were getting from the RE-320.
    This studio called her (yesterday) to record a VO... and guess what was up on the mic stand...
    A brand new RE-320!  
     

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    Re: Looking for mic recommendations for Voice Over work 2014/11/24 22:14:48 (permalink)
    So, an update here.  We auditioned a few mics and went with a Mojave Audio 201 FET.  It will definitely fit the bill for VO work.  I am also anxious to try it on vocals and mic'ing my acoustic guitar.  More to come. . .

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