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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 11:49:59 (permalink)
I have learned the hard way over the years what a Microsoft update can do to a working system at the most inopportune time. This update won't be installed on my machine until summer, when I can afford to have a machine get hosed. And yes, back-ups are wonderful, but still take time to install and get everything back to normal. With finals coming up, just a risk I am not willing to take.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 11:55:06 (permalink)
It's not just that Cakewalk will from now on ignore the existence of XP and it's user base, I noticed when downloading the drivers for my Scarlett 6i6 that there where no drivers for XP . So in a few years our beloved audio interfaces will be the issue more likely than our software. 
 
Windows XP - No
Windows Vista  -No
Windows 7 - 64bit  -Yes
Windows 7 -  Yes    ( 32bit??) 
Windows 8 - Yes
Mac 10.7   Yes
Mac 10.8    Yes
iOS            Yes

The Scarlett 6i6 is a class compliant device and so will work on a iPad via an Apple camera connection kit, although please note it is not officially supported.
 
My self I will use my XP 32 Bit laptop until it dies. And even though it is no longer supported, I use and will continue using this laptop for e mail and browsing all my day to day web sites. I even use it to manage my web site as I only have MS front page 2004. I am not expecting any problems with security. Those issues I think happen when surfing indiscriminately. 
There is no real good reason to have a DAW that is on the internet unless you are financially incapable of owning 2 computers. 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 13:38:22 (permalink)
That is an issue for the Interface makers not MS...it is up to them to provide drivers for their product.
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 14:53:52 (permalink)
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This sounds like if you have a Windows 8 DVD and need to re-install you will not be able to update it.  Sounds like drive images will be the only way to re-install it then.  Not good.


I think you simply install what you have, then apply updates to get to 8.1.1.  None of those patches cost any $.
 
Nobody should be running 8.0 anyway.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 18:56:54 (permalink)
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I don't care...I have Windows 7-64 bit on my computer and everything is working just fine...I don't need no stinkin' update. 



Yet...
 
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It's not just that Cakewalk will from now on ignore the existence of XP and it's user base, 



... Microsoft that does not support it either.... so that's it.
 
joden
That is an issue for the Interface makers not MS...it is up to them to provide drivers for their product.

 
Right.
 
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I have learned the hard way over the years what a Microsoft update can do to a working system at the most inopportune time. This update won't be installed on my machine until summer, when I can afford to have a machine get hosed. And yes, back-ups are wonderful, but still take time to install and get everything back to normal. With finals coming up, just a risk I am not willing to take.



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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 18:58:18 (permalink)
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 19:00:06 (permalink)
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 19:07:58 (permalink)
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This sounds like if you have a Windows 8 DVD and need to re-install you will not be able to update it.  Sounds like drive images will be the only way to re-install it then.  Not good.


I think you simply install what you have, then apply updates to get to 8.1.1.  None of those patches cost any $.
 
Nobody should be running 8.0 anyway.


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The only thing that is set to change on May 12 for personal users of Windows 8 is that windows update/automatic updates will not offer any patches that depend on having the 8.1 update installed. In the very unlikely situation in which your system will run 8.0 but will not run with either 8.1 or the 8.1 update installed, or if you have chosen not to update to Windows 8.1,  this will make it impossible for you to get new security patches, bug fixes or additional features. You will be stuck with an unpatched Windows 8.0 or 8.1 until you can resolve whatever issue makes it impossible to apply these updates. If your system will run the 8.1 and 8.1.1 updates you can re-install from the original media or downloaded files and follow the update path on windows update to bring it up to 8.1.1, just as you could do with Windows XP as recently as a couple of weeks ago. Support has not ended for Windows 8.0, and those updates should still be available for years to come.
 
The reason that business users are concerned as in the article cited in the OP is that they are dealing with dozens to hundreds of computers often running proprietary software, and they like to have months of lead time to test a new update (or patch for that matter) before they allow it to be deployed to the many machines that might have problems. They felt that putting such a short lead time on this endangering the integrity of their systems. MS has given them until August as a result.
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 19:33:02 (permalink)
+1

This thread has become a classic example of post first and read later. I figured putting in the subject title 'not what you think' may help matters a little but sadly not!

Of course somebody will probably now accuse me of being a know it all or something after me posting this... Lord if only real life was so predictable! :)

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 19:36:22 (permalink)
If I were a know it all, I might say something like, "You could have made the title be MS killing off Windows 8.0 updates" here. 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 19:37:31 (permalink)
True... Definitely a technicality there :)

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/16 19:39:54 (permalink)
Get your point...

Well if you really want to be specific I should have written 'no longer supporting: or something... Just like with XP.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/17 01:47:35 (permalink)
My DAW runs Windows 7, but I have two Windows 8 machines. I updated one of those to Win 8.1. The first time I went to use the Calendar app I got a notice saying that I needed to log on to my computer using a Microsoft login or some such, so my appointments could be stored in the cloud and I could access them on any Windows 8.1 machine (I don't use Calendar for appointments -- I just wanted to know what day it was). This in turn connected me to SkyDrive, Skype, Outlook.com and so on, none of which I am interested in
 
I understand -- Microsoft wants to know who I am, what I'm doing, and what ads to push my way. But I don't want to be tracked like that. It's not that big a deal, but it's one reason NOT to update. In past years for security reasons I have taken any and all patches Microsoft pushes, but I might have to take a closer look at future updates.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/17 15:58:24 (permalink)
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My DAW runs Windows 7, but I have two Windows 8 machines. I updated one of those to Win 8.1. The first time I went to use the Calendar app I got a notice saying that I needed to log on to my computer using a Microsoft login or some such, so my appointments could be stored in the cloud and I could access them on any Windows 8.1 machine (I don't use Calendar for appointments -- I just wanted to know what day it was). This in turn connected me to SkyDrive, Skype, Outlook.com and so on, none of which I am interested in
 
I understand -- Microsoft wants to know who I am, what I'm doing, and what ads to push my way. But I don't want to be tracked like that. It's not that big a deal, but it's one reason NOT to update. In past years for security reasons I have taken any and all patches Microsoft pushes, but I might have to take a closer look at future updates.

PS: After being on this forum for seven years, I am proud to announce that this is my 25th post, so next time I get to use links!




http://www.infobyte.hr/blog/337/windows-8-1-preview-how-to-install-without-microsoft-account-skip-microsoft-account/
 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/17 16:32:05 (permalink)
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My DAW runs Windows 7, but I have two Windows 8 machines. I updated one of those to Win 8.1. The first time I went to use the Calendar app I got a notice saying that I needed to log on to my computer using a Microsoft login or some such,



If you followed the default setup for Win 8 or 8.1 you set your machine with an account that requires Microsoft Live ID, but you probably do not want to re-install the OS just to change this perverse behavior. You can pretty easily add a new local account to your current installation and log on to that account without using a Microsoft Live ID or going to the cloud every time you log in.
 
http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/windows-and-office/quick-tip-change-to-a-local-account-in-windows-81/#.
 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/18 15:57:30 (permalink)
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It's not just that Cakewalk will from now on ignore the existence of XP and it's user base, I noticed when downloading the drivers for my Scarlett 6i6 that there where no drivers for XP . So in a few years our beloved audio interfaces will be the issue more likely than our software. 
 

Okay, I hear that. My EMU 0404 is still chugging along on XP drivers under W7.
 
But, if we can go by how long it took for MS to drop XP, W7 will be supported until 2022, plenty of time for me to figure out what I'll upgrade to.


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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/18 17:33:47 (permalink)
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But, if we can go by how long it took for MS to drop XP, W7 will be supported until 2022, plenty of time for me to figure out what I'll upgrade to.



In MS's view they made a mistake in supporting XP too long. It ate into their profits..... So don't count on it. They are already learning how apple like strategies will keep customers on the cool aid.

I would expect subscriptions within the next 10 years maybe like adobe does.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/18 19:15:32 (permalink)
I'm sorry folks ,
I'm simply having a hard time understanding the logic here 
I thought that in the real world any gigantic company that puts out a product that the consumer simply does not care for or want, at least in my mind or so  i thought ….
that they would have to abide by that fact and accordingly  adjust themselves to providing something the customer really wants ?…if they want to stay in bizznez ..
Yes ? NO ? 
whats next, if every company out there decides to do bizznez  like M$
will I  have to sign up with the Gibson guitar company and buy a subscription just to play my Gibson R 8 Les Paul ? 
i thought that was covered up front with the 3 grand it cost  
(now I do know that I have to pay for strings and picks )
 
as ridiculous as that might sound to some of you I can assure you that  M$  and what they are trying to do sounds twice as ridiculous to me  
 
 
 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/18 19:36:41 (permalink)
Kenny what in your mind is MS trying to do?

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/18 21:48:54 (permalink)
I know John it really  does sound like I'm a little out there …I'm not 
 
it's not like MS is trying to do anything to me , it is simply the amount of extra BS I have to put up with just to run windows
 
I really do not care one bit for Windows 8 …I've said this before and I'm not looking to be contentious
the simple fact of the matter is,
the only reason why I have a Win 8 computer is to run a current version of SONAR X 3 PE in a 64 bit OS 
for me it is really that simple ,
 
before that I spent a lot of time running SONAR 6 PE on XP and in many ways I was very happy ...
I had a beefed up computer that I had made for me  at the time by a custom builder in LA 
this machine had components like a much heaver duty power supply a bunch of other tweaks and it was configured strictly for music creation 
I had my choice of 2 PCI sound cards onboard, an M Audio 1010lt and a Audiophile 192 …..both operated w no conflicts what so ever .
granted they are mid grade cards , but they have served me well even to this day ...
 
I've kept this machine off the net and it has been running strong w out a glitch for over 8 years ….I still use it often 
 
now since I wanted to upgrade my SONAR to X3 and run in a 64 bit OS , I wanted to get the current M S OS that was available …Win 8 
 
in general as an OS ,
I find Windows 8 to be  very intrusive in even respect and I don't appreciate that fact that this  OS acts just like somebody's mother in law that decided to move in with me just to nit pick me to death  
 
every peice of musical gear that I own is  meant to serve me …not the other way around
every guitar , amp , pedal , and music creation  tool I use must have the ability to become transparent 
for me thats how it is …with music software i have to keep honing my chops to get there ….I'm slowly getting there   
 
OK now I've done my best to adapt and work around some of the things I have a beef with I got used to the difference in work flow and as an OS W 8 is pretty snappy and does most basic tasks well …
I will give it that for the moment ….
 
most of the cr&p that's in W 8 I simply do not want nor do I have a desire to even tolerate …..
all the social apps , Skype, the maps…the app store ….anything that has nothing to do with my music creation 
has absolutely no use for me and I  have no intention of using my computer for any of that ...
some of that I have disabled and I've done everything I can to set my preferences to keep that stuff at bay ...
 
 
to use X 3 , I had to buy a new machine w W 8 , I also had to go out and buy an interface , 
I bought a Focusrite 2i4  because my  perfectly good 2 sound cards are absolutly useless on my new machine
then I had to buy my upgrade  to my current version of SONAR to X3 ...
sure this may be the price we all pay at some point or another ,   for me this all was a considerable amount of money to have to lay out just to catch up to SONAR X3 
 … I had the desire to do that so I went in and did it because I wanted to  
 
I have no regrets about the SONAR end of things I'm very happy w X3  
 
I'm typing this on my Mac , this happens to be my internet machine 
I have have a ton of Music software on this thing which also happens to include the full licensed to me retail boxed version of Logic Pro 9  all  9 DVD's  worth of content and then some ...
 
lets just say for the sake of the conversation that if I didn't want to be using Cakewalk software I wouldn't be using Cakewalk ….
I don't have to , I choose to 
I feel that I have demonstrated an ample commitment and desire to continue my association with what SONAR can do for me and my music by upgrading  Windows to the current OS ,including my hardware , computer  and Music software ...
 
I do not want my DAW on the net unless it is an absolute nessesity to upgrade my music software ….
granted Melodyne , XLN ,  Waves , and Native Instruments all have installers that I have to keep on my machine 
and when Cakewalk comes out w a patch fine I can go there ….
that's all I'm willing to put up with …..
 
I simply have no faith nor do I have the least bit of trust in MS ….
I don't want patches I don't need ,,,
I don't want fixes that will do back door preference changes on me where I have to spend time trying to fix things I didn't want ….
 
I'm somewhat sensitive about these issues ,
the simple reason for that is I generally prefer to have 2 computers w the same OS and music software on it ...
on my  DAW , my primary objective is to use it to create and experiment with music and I have to depend on it being totally reliable ...100% of the time …that is a lot to ask and so far that has been my experience
 
I like to have a back up machine with the same OS that has at least enough spec to be able to run most of the music software that I'm working with …
on the back up I scale things back so I don't waste and use up my licenses ...
the back up is the Guinea pig  
thats always the machine I update , try demo's on and use as a general all purpose internet / work station DAW….
after going through 3 back up machines already I'm very cautious about what I do and how I do what I do ...
so ,  lets say part of this is a money thing ….. not having a back up machine …at some point I will solve that issue 
 
I simply just want to run SONAR X3 as my DAW and keep my DAW off the net 
 
now John , please tell me,  what have I not made clear to you in my explanation ?
 
I can assure you that  I am not the only person in the world that doesn't care for Windows 8 and if I was it wouldn't change a thing in my book 
 
I AM A CREATIVE MUSICIAN  
 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/19 14:48:15 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2014/04/19 15:15:38
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I thought that in the real world any gigantic company that puts out a product that the consumer simply does not care for or want, at least in my mind or so  i thought ….
that they would have to abide by that fact and accordingly  adjust themselves to providing something the customer really wants ?…if they want to stay in bizznez ..
Yes ? NO ?  
Kenny




That paradigm only applies when a company is not a monopoly. When a company can dictate to over 90% of the personal computers on earth what they will be running, they do not have to care. The cost of switching millions and millions of computers and all of the software they run to a new OS is simply not an available option.
 
People tend to think that monopoly is a deliberate manipulation of the market and affects mainly price, but an effective monopoly also de-couples the expected consumer input from the decisions of the monopolist. Even if Microsoft had not engaged in a wide array of anticompetitive practices, it would still be able to maintain its power just from the installed user base. If they want you to use their cloud services, which provide them with valuable information about how you use your/their systems, or rent you their software by the month, instead of selling a perpetual license effectively limited by end of support, they are going to be able to do that whether you like it or not.
 
Cakewalk, and other application providers are more or less forced to toe the line as well. So if you want to run Windows based applications at full speed with reasonable stability, you are not only going to need Windows, you are going to need the Windows that Microsoft wants you to need.
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/19 15:29:25 (permalink)
Nothing Kenny. I don't see a problem either. If you don't want to have your DAW on the net I don't see why you think it is required. 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/19 23:41:15 (permalink)
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... If they want you to use their cloud services, which provide them with valuable information about how you use your/their systems, or rent you their software by the month, instead of selling a perpetual license effectively limited by end of support, they are going to be able to do that whether you like it or not.
 



Gods, that's depressing.  But true.  Maybe it's time for Sonar and LINUX.
 

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/20 01:26:45 (permalink)
MS tells me my non-touch 27" monitor should look and feel like a 9" tablet. Except physically 3x bigger. More better access to Pinterest, I guess. Oh, and there's that ribbon thing that I'm still pissed about (long story). Meanwhile, Apple tells me my RAM should be soldered to the motherboard, so "better overpay upfront for our overpriced modules"... and May the Lord Almighty help you when you find out 18 months later when somebody on a interweb forum tells you that you should have maxed the RAM out to begin with in order to run ABC and XYZ on the same laptop. Infinite wisdom all around. Though I do love my various Win 7 boxes and 2011 MacBook Pros... Who knows, in the future I just may end up running some version of OSX on a cheap windows PC (i.e., PC hardware without a Mac logo) if we keep going down this path. I want what I want, I know what I want, and this ain't it.
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/20 10:15:54 (permalink)
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kennywtelejazz
 
I thought that in the real world any gigantic company that puts out a product that the consumer simply does not care for or want, at least in my mind or so  i thought ….
that they would have to abide by that fact and accordingly  adjust themselves to providing something the customer really wants ?…if they want to stay in bizznez ..
Yes ? NO ?  
Kenny




That paradigm only applies when a company is not a monopoly. When a company can dictate to over 90% of the personal computers on earth what they will be running, they do not have to care. The cost of switching millions and millions of computers and all of the software they run to a new OS is simply not an available option.
 
People tend to think that monopoly is a deliberate manipulation of the market and affects mainly price, but an effective monopoly also de-couples the expected consumer input from the decisions of the monopolist. Even if Microsoft had not engaged in a wide array of anticompetitive practices, it would still be able to maintain its power just from the installed user base. If they want you to use their cloud services, which provide them with valuable information about how you use your/their systems, or rent you their software by the month, instead of selling a perpetual license effectively limited by end of support, they are going to be able to do that whether you like it or not.
 
Cakewalk, and other application providers are more or less forced to toe the line as well. So if you want to run Windows based applications at full speed with reasonable stability, you are not only going to need Windows, you are going to need the Windows that Microsoft wants you to need.




Hello startabartfast , 
 
I sincerly appreciate that you posted this and I marked it helpful ….
you have  amply demonstrated to me that you are a very smart person  
you were able to concisely address to me what I was having a hard time accepting and putting into a useable working perspective that I could live with and accept as a useable compromise ….
 
I find absolutely  no consolation or comfort in the fact that Cakewalk, and other application providers are more or less forced to toe the line …...
 
if ever there was a time where I needed to choose my words very wisely …this would be it
 
thank you for taking the time to post what you did , 
 
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/20 18:24:21 (permalink)
Tell me about any globalist monopoly that isn't sucking the life out of anything. In M$s defence their software is much more reliable than in the past. Their patches do improve stability. Their release pattern is generally one step backwards followed by two steps forwards. M$ is increasingly worried about their relevance hence they are taking risks and panic measures. From a software development perspective having more baseline versions is extremely sensible.

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/20 19:27:06 (permalink)
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Tell me about any globalist monopoly that isn't sucking the life out of anything. In M$s defence their software is much more reliable than in the past. Their patches do improve stability. Their release pattern is generally one step backwards followed by two steps forwards. M$ is increasingly worried about their relevance hence they are taking risks and panic measures. From a software development perspective having more baseline versions is extremely sensible.



Tell me about any universally adopted technology that has not improved in stability or usability since 1975.
 
Another hidden cost of monopoly, is that it frees the monopolist from the demand to make major efforts to improve the product. Undoubtedly Microsoft has improved their operating systems, but we will never know how much more they could have done if they had to make improvements in order to compete. We can certainly guess that security issues that plagued them for decades, and were only addressed when the predation of the malware industry threatened to drive serious users to alternatives, would have come sooner if alternatives had been available.
 
I think that they are a great deal less interested in loss of relevance, than they are envious of the profits and stock valuation of competitors such as Apple, which has always been a hardware company and only done software to make their own stuff run. Apple envy has brought us the Surface, and a hope to monopolize operating systems for iPhone competitors. Both of these efforts have resulted in the clumsy Modern/Metro interface. In an effort to manipulate users too lazy to learn a new GUI to buy MS hardware and MS clients phones they forced a unified interface on the workplace computer users, who were much better served by less "user friendly" interfaces.
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/20 20:45:05 (permalink)
So they sit back in envy and do nothing because they are big and wealthy? I don't think so.

They are simply driven by market share and changing technology fashions. Even MS or Apple realise they are dead if they don't listen to their customers or take risks and innovate, it may take them a while to do it right but in the end they do (or they will die). You just have to look at research in motion for a classic example of this. RIM and their phones became irrelevant. MS is extremely frightened of becoming irrelevant otherwise they would not have released Win8 with metro etc. Time will tell if they were right or not, they certainly got it wrong first time around (half baked because they were far too late in the game,they did exactly the same when people started using the internet but got there in the end).

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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/20 21:06:49 (permalink)
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Re: MS killing off Windows 8.0 (not quite what you think) 2014/04/20 22:10:07 (permalink)
Right on! :)

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