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April 19, 14 1:27 AM (permalink)

What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers

As the title says- I need to be able to color-code the upper part of display above the tracks with measure numbers, so I can know what part I am in. Just like when we select a section and it turns darker, would be nice if we could select a section and assign color permanently for that section.  I want to have my Verse 32 measures blue, Corus 32 measures green and so on. We can color-code tracks, but not the timeline. This would be very helpful to visualize the song structure and make song less fragmented.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 1:50 AM (permalink)
On every one of my songs the top track is a simple midi block for one measure. I have that block duplicated out for like 100+ measures. I use it to color code sections of the song. A stretch of say 8 measures might be yellow to show where the chorus is. I just select the appropriate number of blocks and use clip color to indicate the color. The markers give me names as needed (like Chor1) etc.

It's helpful not only for me but for any performers, like say a drummer, who wants to see what's going on in the monitor from a slight distance.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 1:50 AM (permalink)
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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 2:44 AM (permalink)
Yep. Many of us do this or similar to indicate different sections within a project.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 2:51 AM (permalink)
Feature Request Form here (already submitted?): http://www.cakewalk.com/support/contact/featurerequest.aspx
 

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 2:53 AM (permalink)
That is a nice idea, I may try that. Thank you very much. I also wish, Cakewalk would make those measure blocks color-changeable.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 6:34 AM (permalink)
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...I need to be able to color-code the upper part of display above the tracks with measure numbers, so I can know what part I am in. Just like when we select a section and it turns darker, would be nice if we could select a section and assign color permanently for that section.  I want to have my Verse 32 measures blue, Corus 32 measures green and so on. We can color-code tracks, but not the timeline. This would be very helpful to visualize the song structure and make song less fragmented.



I put forward a similar but more elaborate idea a few years ago, as follows:
 
Keep the existing timeline as it stands, but have an additional customisable timeline. To distinguish it from the existing timeline, let's give it a different name, say the "TimeRuler". This timeruler can be divided up as required by the user to represent different sections of the song, e.g. intro, verses, choruses, bridges or whatever. Each section can be assigned a colour and a starting number which could be 1 or 0 or some offset (or even a negative number if required). It could also be assigned a name or descriptive piece of text. When zoomed out the different sections of the song would be identified by the colours. When working in PRV it would be obvious which part of the song you were looking at by the colour of the timeruler. When zoomed in it would be easy to home in on, for example, the 6th bar of the 2nd chorus.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 10:11 AM (permalink)
Kev999's idea / feature request is a good one for sure. Until that ever happens, a track with measure blocks does suffice to help paint the picture of a song structure.

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That is a nice idea, I may try that. Thank you very much. I also wish, Cakewalk would make those measure blocks color-changeable.


The blocks I've been using on this one track are just one measure long clips. You can easily change the color of any clip. My songs might have green areas for the verse, yellow for the chorus, blue for the bridge etc. Or, if you select a bunch of clips, like 8 of them for say an 8 measure part, once selected you can easily change the color for all 8 clips with one edit.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 11:42 AM (permalink)
Feature request form is not worth anything- not in my case. I have been asking to return "Undo/Redo" button for years- nothing happened- update after update.
 
Lawjava, I liked your idea, but practically it would not work for me. My songs have 60 and more tracks, so I will not be able to see top midi track at the bottom of the track list. The timeline is always visible and should be color-codable.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 11:49 AM (permalink)
How about the Video Thumbnail pane? Never tried it myself, though.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 11:54 AM (permalink)
Yeah, I actually looked at it myself last night. It is black. lol.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 12:06 AM (permalink)
But if you manage to create few-second videos that each show a different color you can maybe load them in there and use like colored clips? I don't know.  

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 12:17 AM (permalink)
As I understand- holding and playing videos is processing power demanding, so it is not the best solution.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 12:25 AM (permalink)
Then how about putting those 60+ tracks into several track folders and expand only one folder or hide the tracks you don't need to see all the time?

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 12:33 AM (permalink)
Oh, btw, I don't think CW will add or bring back a feature that they think won't help Sonar sell better (i.e. I don't think many will be excited by the return of the Undo/Redo buttons in the Control Bar, but there'll be many who will like a color-codable timeline.) 

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 12:34 AM (permalink)
I kind of need to see all of them. This is how I know where I am- I look on the wav shape and I can tell that it is synth or base or pad by it's look. I try to make myself to name the tracks, but still- I like to see them. There is a view where the video view is that we can see all tracks very small, so may be I should use that... Still color coding would help very much.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 6:15 PM (permalink)
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Lawjava, I liked your idea, but practically it would not work for me. My songs have 60 and more tracks, so I will not be able to see top midi track at the bottom of the track list. The timeline is always visible and should be color-codable.



This idea of dummy midi blocks in a track was suggested once before.  I tried it at the time and had the same experience, i.e. the fact that it's not visible most of the time makes it not worth the bother.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 19, 14 8:19 PM (permalink)
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Then how about putting those 60+ tracks into several track folders and expand only one folder or hide the tracks you don't need to see all the time?


Yeah Jlien that's exactly how I work it. I use track folders and H (track manager) all the time. I can see all my tracks I need to mix at any time in the Console View, which is just D away. (Keyboard shortcut to toggle).

In the track view for the most part I hide everything but that top track and keep visible the tracks/folders I'm presently working on. Every track is just H away (keyboard shortcut) from being visible if I want to look at some additional track(s).

I actually find it more productive to look at less tracks on my screen. Keeps my attention focused on the part I'm working on.

But if you don't hide tracks/folders I would agree that the top track will not be visible after you load 60 tracks.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 20, 14 8:38 AM (permalink)
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This idea of dummy midi blocks in a track was suggested once before.  I tried it at the time and had the same experience, i.e. the fact that it's not visible most of the time makes it not worth the bother.



This is true. As soon as the project is scrolled upwards, the first "dummy/template" track is lost. I do use this technique, however. It's the best we've got. Also, doing this template thing is more than just knowing where to put the various parts of a song (e.g. intro, verse, chorus, etc.); it's useful for tracking the counts and measures if the project/song does not start at measure #1. Since there is no offset feature in Sonar (despite being requested by several people) the "dummy/template" track is the next best thing.
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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 20, 14 9:43 AM (permalink)
I never use it, but can the Navigator help at all? I don't know how customizable it is.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 20, 14 10:46 AM (permalink)
iirc we have been waiting for ever to be able to change the indicator so that a midi song can actually start at indicated 1:01:000 vs 2:01:000, and after all this time it is still hard to add 8 + 1 ..lol

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 20, 14 11:33 AM (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Dream Logic Audio April 20, 14 9:18 PM
Colors would be nice, but until then, I just use markers - type M where you want the marker, then enter whatever you want.
 


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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 20, 14 8:05 PM (permalink)
I should also add that if you click on the marker name, it selects the space between it and the next marker. Hit Shift-L to loop verses, choruses, etc. really easily.

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Re: What I really need is to color-code timeline measure numbers April 20, 14 9:35 PM (permalink)
Andertone, this is how I use it now, but I do not compress the tracks- I like to see each measure up to 1,2,3,4, so 16 measures part is quite long and does not fit on the screen. I was planning the song and wanted to assign the parts to how long my verse, how long is my chorus, and I realized that after marker disappears from the screen, all I hear is a drum track and unless I actively count measures, I would not know what part it is. It would be different if it was color coded. Maschine software sequencer is offering this option.
 
I would but Sonar if they return Undo/Redo function. In fact- I would but two of it if they have it back.

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