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Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
Hello everyone. With the multitude of VST's available I thought I'd ask here hoping someone might be able to steer me in the right direction. I am in search of a specific sound that I use a lot from my KORG Triton keyboard, Unfortunately it has a home elsewhere and sometimes it is not convenient to bring back to my studio. The sound is available for listen below. I have been a Sonar PE user since Sonar 3 so I have all these tools at my disposal but I have not been able to find this sound within the packaged bundles in Sonar. For reference, I do NOT have KONTACT, which I am certain has a similar sound. Hopefully someone can suggest a relatively inexpensive VST. Listen Here Thanks in advance, Rich
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/03 07:56:10
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I think it could be programmed in Pentagon reasonably easily. Sawtooth wave and play around with the LP filter and envelopes until you get it right. Add a bit of reverb in the effects bit to finish it off.
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Psalmist35
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/03 08:21:19
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Glyn, I appreciate your response. When it come to programming synths I always find myself getting frustrated. This does not come easily to me. I actually found something close in DimPro but one of the sound had this annoying Oscillation that I couldn't figure out how to turn off and it also had an amplitude that I could not tame either. Uggggggg!
As an example "As Quiet As Possible"(Pads) in DimPro has an amplitude that increases the longer you sustain the chord. I could live with this sound if only I can figure out how to tame it. Any suggestions?
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/03 09:32:37
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Psalmist35
As an example "As Quiet As Possible"(Pads) in DimPro has an amplitude that increases the longer you sustain the chord. I could live with this sound if only I can figure out how to tame it. Any suggestions?
Unfortunately I only have a minimal installation of X3 on my laptop, so I don't have access to Dim Pro so I can't take a look. If the sound gets progressively louder that would indicate that at least one of the elements has a very long attack time. I suggest you look at the attack settings for each element and shorten them. Assuming it is a single element with a very long attack you could also try turning that element off.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/03 09:57:46
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Consider sampling the pad from the Triton. Pads are especially easy to sample because you don't need multiple velocity layers, nor do you have to sample every note on the keyboard. You might in fact get away with a single sample.
If you had Kontakt that would be a convenience, but not having Kontakt is not a barrier. You could use Cyclone for playback. It's a primitive sample player but up to this particular task.
Next time you have access to the Triton, record a few seconds of the pad at different points on the keyboard. Cyclone can handle up to 16 different samples, which should be more than adequate for a pad.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/03 13:26:41
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+1 for sampling the sound. There are a lot of products that will generate sample sets from keyboards. Sample Robot has this functionality, as does Extreme Sample Converter. ESC is the less expensive option, going for EUR 39. Of course, I would recommend converting these into sfz format. There are a lot of instruments which are free or that you already have that will play these. On the other hand, if you think that Dim Pro patch is close enough it shouldn't be hard to fix. I won't be on my DAW for a while, but... 1. Each DP patch has up to four elements. Try turning them off one at a time to narrow where the oscillation is coming from. 2. Once you have figured out which element is generating the oscillation, you can look at the edit screen for each element. There should be tabs for controlling the PITCH, CUT, RESO, PAN, AMP. Under each of these tabs, there is a section on the left for LFO. There is a Status underneath this. Turn it to Off. Repeat this for each tab. 3. Similarly for each tab there is an envelope graph. You can turn this off by clicking the Status control, which is on the right under EG to Off. Or you can click on points on the graph to modify the envelopes. A third thing you can try is Zen by Big Tick. I haven't tried it yet, but it allows you search for sounds amongst all of the VST plugins you have. http://www.bigtickaudio.com/zen/about-zen
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/03 16:02:55
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Guys, thanks for the responses. I actually did think of sampling the sound. Then again, I didn't want to have to learn another technique, but it certainly is a consideration. I will also give DimPro any chance and try tweaking the parameters.
Thanks again!!
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/03 21:11:41
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Go for it! If you can record a synthesizer you can sample. Figuring out a basic sample player will take about two minutes. At least, for simple samples such as pads and percussion.
I've got several of my favorite Yamaha patches in Kontakt format now, and it's a great convenience even though my synth is a foot away rather than in another town. It's given me the ability to combine more than one patch, so for example I've got all my favorite percussion sounds from the synth in one handy Kontakt library.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/03 21:26:13
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/04 00:54:54
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Plus...once you've sampled your source you can easily learn the fundamentals of sound design. Honest...it's not that hard to get started. Just ask. We'll help.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/04 01:43:37
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KONTACT has a similar sound.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/04 01:46:06
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I'm sure Spectrasonics Omnisphere has dozens like this.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/04 09:11:15
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Sounds like the Roland "warm pad".
try the tts synth in sonar. patch is 'warm pad'.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/04 18:14:17
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All good suggestions.
I would encourage psalmist35 to one day consider stretching the purse strings just a tad to get Kontakt. Then there's a sea of these pad sounds available.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/04 19:05:04
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I kind of laughed when I saw the OP's question and heard the pad sound. As, what he is looking for is the type of pad sound that I use most often (roland). The closest I could find in soft synth land was, as I said above, the TTS.. edit: I listened again and noticed there is a choir type pad mixed in with the warm pad.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/04 19:46:46
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timidi
Sounds like the Roland "warm pad".
try the tts synth in sonar. patch is 'warm pad'.
So that's where that sound comes from. I had a client wanting a "warm pad" on a synth (Dim Pro) and I went on a wild hunt trying to find something to please him. (I'm a guitar and bass kind of guy.)
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/04 19:52:36
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timidi
I have Kontact and omnisphere and there are no pads that I can find that are just simple "warm pads" like that.
The closest I could find in soft synth land was, as I said above, the TTS..
edit: I listened again and noticed there is a choir type pad mixed in with the warm pad.
Finding an exact, exact replica might be challenging. The general point is that there are scads of these pads out there. Omnisphere is pricey for searching for a pad, but Kontakt and then any of the low cost (like $10 pad set makers) offer an over abundance of these. There are some sounds like this also included in some of the AAS sound sets which are also available at a reasonable price.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/04 22:48:55
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timidi
edit: I listened again and noticed there is a choir type pad mixed in with the warm pad.
I think it sounds more glassy than choir like.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/05 12:23:45
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Whew! Crazy weekend. Just now getting an opportunity to respond. Thanks for the replies everybody. timidi
Sounds like the Roland "warm pad".
try the tts synth in sonar. patch is 'warm pad'.
Thanks for the suggestion timidi. I will check this out. As much as I don't like navigating a Yamaha keyboard, Yamaha has some great sounds too. Additionally, I really like the Roland Integra 7. Great sounds and features!
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/05 12:25:11
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lawajava
All good suggestions.
I would encourage psalmist35 to one day consider stretching the purse strings just a tad to get Kontakt. Then there's a sea of these pad sounds available.
Actually, I am working toward this purchase. Personally this a direction I feel will work best for me for live performance play. I completely agree.
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/05 21:31:29
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timidi
Sounds like the Roland "warm pad".
try the tts synth in sonar. patch is 'warm pad'.
Well I finally got to give the TTS-1 a try. Thanks timidi! That was the least painful and quickest route for me and I'm happy with the result. I ended up layering it with the bowed glass sound. Took me longer to figure out how to layer a sound in TTS than to tweak the sound to my liking  ! Thanks again!
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Re: Searchingfor a specific Pad sound
2014/05/06 20:38:41
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the "trick" if you want, with the triton is not the sounds, rather the fx/filtering that went on to them.. in an attempt to make it hard to copy.. yes you could take th esounds, but without the additional processing it was rather a different story.
the multi sample is a route.. kontakt is like the akai 950 or 3000 of these days, like it or not
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