Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ?

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Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ?

I used to use stocked drums presets (Session Drummer 3 / BFD 3) as they are, except perhaps tuning the high / low pitch a little.
 
Recently, I was recording a real drummer and mix it with the drummer's perspective - snare/hi hit more on the left, with the hi to low toms spread towards the right - using most piano sound as a guide (low notes on the left, high notes on the right).
 
So, that got me to pay more attention and on my current project, I found the BFD 3 preset I'm working with is panned the opposite - hi hat towards the right, floor tom on the left, from the audience's perspective.
 
There's probably no rule on this. But how would you like to mix it ? Both drums and piano - player's or audience's perspective ?

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/06 10:14:58 (permalink)
    I pan drums from the audience perspective.  However, how wide depends on the style of music.  For big rock drums I pan them as wide as I can get.  I usually pan the kick and snare straight up the center and spread the toms right to left.  For jazz, I treat the kit as a whole and keep it a little narrower--including overheads.
     
    I don't usually pan a piano across the speakers.  It's usually either to the right or the left (depending on how I envision the "stage").  If there are no other instruments besides the piano I may pan it more center and then use some reverb to widen it a bit.  From the piano players point of view the lower register is on the left and the upper register is on the right but that's not how a piano sounds to someone listening.  So if you're going for a natural--realistic--sound then it's all about how it sounds in the room.
     
    My approach to mixing is always from an audience perspective.  It's very rare for an audience to be sitting at the piano or at the drums (or any instrument) and even less likely for a recording.  From the audience's point of view, each individual instrument is a mono sound source that may occupy a different space on the stage.  So, I move things around by panning them and placing them on a "stage" in the stereo field.  When it comes to effects like reverb I decide how big I want the room and pan it appropriately.  I might use some reflections from the opposite stereo side to get a sense of width. Even an orchestra can be thought of like this; ie.  the 1st violins are no the audience left, the cellos are on the right, etc.  But the 1st violins may reflect around the room, same is true for cellos.  This, to me, is where the illusion of "stereo" comes from.
     
    This is less true for electronic music.  You can spread synth pads really wide because it's not a natural sound.  You also might have the concept to put the listener in the music and you mix from stage center instead of in the audience.
     
    Then again ... you can do anything you want and as long as it sounds good (not necessarily "right" or "correct") then go for it.
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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/06 10:15:05 (permalink)
    It's a personal preference. I prefer the audience perspective, hats on the right. But even that's not carved in stone - you could, for example, have a left-handed drummer who puts the hats to his right.
     
    But I'm not consistent about it: I always use the player's perspective for piano. Maybe it's because I'm a piano player and not a drummer.


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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/06 10:29:30 (permalink)
    I mix drums from the audience perspective but when recording, I give the drum his mix with his perspective.
     
    For keys, I am with bit on the player's perspective.
     
    Vanblah has good advice on panning as well.  It can be rewarding to note the drum panning in all kinds of different genres of music to see what great producers used.  

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/06 10:35:48 (permalink)
    panning
     
    does not equal
     
    stereo
     
     
    panning mono signals left and right, is mono panning.
     
    having a stereo signal, means it was captured with a stereo mic setup.... and the phase of those two mics in relation to each other is CRITICAL
     
    do not mess with it.
     

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/06 11:25:23 (permalink)
    It doesn't matter - except for drummers.  And whether they want to play the part or just listen ;-)

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/06 12:07:27 (permalink)
    It's funny because as a guitar player and a n00b engineer I had never thought about this type of thing until I really started getting into mixing concepts. I did play drums for a few years shortly before I started taking the studio thing seriously so I was used to both perspectives but after lots of screwing around with panning on drums I realized that despite having been behind a drum kit regularly that the audience perspective sounded far more normal and natural. It seems to be what is usually used (as far as I can tell) and you gotta figure, what's a fan gonna hear when they go see the band live? The "audience" perspective. Of course, as was mentioned, there could be a leftie drummer (in which case I guess it would be appropriate to switch things up so the recording reflects a live performance) and perhaps club sound guys might go for drummer perspective (or be so used to panning the drums to a rightie setup a lefty becomes a rightie through the PA) that... well... that makes my brain hurt.
     
    Personally I think audience perspective is probably best if your going for a "live" feel from a "live" band. I'm a dinosaur at heart though so whatever.
     
    Piano? Damn... that seems tougher because you've got so many possibilities there. A standup against a wall with the audience behind, a grand kind of sideways on stage, etc. I think I'd use the pianist's perspective. When I listen to piano music I kind of like envisioning myself playing it even though I've never really played much piano at all. Gotta learn though. It's one of my musical goals in life.
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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/06 12:36:59 (permalink)
    For piano, the long held traditional view is that you must pan it from the audience perspective.  Which is a little awkward because the string have a front to back alignment from the audience not left to right.  For the most part however, if you are miking outside the piano with a stereo pair, the mic pointing to the right will be panned right and the one pointing to the left will be panned left.  Truth be told, if you listen to a classical piano album, you will not hear much of the separation between bass and high strings, since the mics are usually placed several feet outside the instrument in a great sounding room.  You just hear the wonderful sonority of the piano in a spacious environment.  
     
    Personally, as a piano player, I am also used to the sound of the player perspective, and in pop music, depending on the needs of the mix, bass on the left is perfectly acceptable, and I sometimes prefer it if a wide stereo separation needs to be made.  

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/06 13:38:15 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the info and good advise ! 
     
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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/06 14:59:19 (permalink)
    I think audience perception can be almost anything depending....so I tend to mix  with enough separation until it sounds good. I don't often think of the, "where they might be sitting if this were real" thing. If I mixed orchestra it would be more critical I suppose.
     
    I tend to pan pianos and drums based more on where I want them in the mix which is habitually bass left because I am accustomed to hearing it there. With drums, since I'm not a drummer, I pan toms and cymbals either way. I don't often pan more than  10/20% either way so it sounds good in stereo but you don't loose much if you only hear one side or in mono.
     
    Bat has a good point...the combination of mono channels can give a stereo effect at the master, but stereo channels are usually already in stereo and if it was done right it is already ok.

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/07 22:44:40 (permalink)
    Does the average listener really notice if the drums are panned the opposite way they would be if they were listening to a band on stage? I would say for most people, that somewhere in the region of 95-100% of music they listen to is recorded, not live. And I'm not sure if the mixing philosophy behind most of the recorded music they listen to was "make it sound as much like a live performance as possible." I would just focus on making everything sound good together instead of worrying about whether or not it sounds "real."

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/08 09:39:12 (permalink)
    I position the drums from the audience perspective.  Hi Hats on the right side and ride on the left with different sounding crash cymbals on both sides of the kit.
     
    I don't know anything about mixing fake drums but when recording live drums I use two mics over the kit.
     
    There are several ways to do this but ... the point I want to make is that if you record live such that the overhead mics are picking up the whole kit with the ultimate intention of panning those mics hard left and right ... then, when you bring in the close mics on the individual drums, their positioning (i.e., panning) has to be consistent with their positioning in the stereo field created by the overheard mics.  

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/08 17:47:06 (permalink)
    It certainly cannot matter from a perspective of how real the result sounds.  For an acoustic recording of a drum kit in a medium size or larger sound stage, the live sound source will sound like a mono source coming from whatever pan position the drum kit occupies on the stage.  Widely panned kit elements place the listener either right in front of the drums or sitting in the drummer's lap.  It's all just illusion anyway, so how could it matter where the kit elements are placed pan-wise?
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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/08 18:38:04 (permalink)
    well, as far as the overheads go, they capture not only the kit, but the sound of the room.... and the relative placement of the kit in the room... and all those reflections and whatnot are what the really smart part of your brain tells you what a 'direction' is....
     
    so if a tom is banging off the side wall of the studio or stage, it is going to sound a certain way to it's own mic, and that also translates to the overheads, and if you mess with that relationship, you are in sonic trouble.
     

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/08 18:39:25 (permalink)
    i'm talking real drums here, not fake drums.
     
    fake drums (like superior ) all bets are off.
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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/12 20:46:48 (permalink)
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    For an acoustic recording of a drum kit in a medium size or larger sound stage, the live sound source will sound like a mono source coming from whatever pan position the drum kit occupies on the stage.



    A kit has several resonating heads in different locations that can be many feet apart from each other on larger kits and the resonating heads are oriented in different directions (i.e. snare/horizontal and bass drum/vertical).  I can certainly make an argument that the sound of the drums in a live setting are not localized as a single point source. 

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/12 21:47:37 (permalink)
    I can certainly make an argument that the sound of the drums in a live setting are not localized as a single point source.

     
    Though from an audience member's point of view those separate drums are only half a degree off from each other occupying maybe 2% of their stereo localization.  
     
    One of the reasons why audience perspective is not always the best recording perspective.  A live concert usually means washed out mono with 80% room sound.  It can sound good when you are there, but you certainly should not record it from where you sit.  

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/13 00:11:19 (permalink)
    If you see a concert at a large venue what you are hearing is the mic'ed (or triggered) drum kit through the PA.
     
    If you are listening to an acoustic set of music with a un-mic'ed drum kit in a small venue and you are hearing washed out mono with 80% room sound then the acoustics of the venue suck.

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/13 12:43:41 (permalink)
    If you are listening to an acoustic set of music with a un-mic'ed drum kit in a small venue and you are hearing washed out mono with 80% room sound then the acoustics of the venue suck.

     
    Most bands play in rooms with poor acoustic, granted, but the ratio of direct to reflective sound actually favors the reflective sound more in good acoustics.  If you are standing 20 feet away from a kit, say in an acoustic jazz concert, there is not going to be any left or right information, just a single point and whatever is reflected off the room surfaces.  
     
    If you ever go to an orchestra concert, you will also notice there is not much clear left or right information even though the orchestra angle is huge by comparison, it is mostly just a wall of reflective sound.  Unfortunately that wall does not record well.  
     
    And in rock concerts, the audio is almost always mixed mono for the PA anyway.  

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/13 13:17:53 (permalink)
    Bass is the easiest for me to make panning decisions on.

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/13 14:25:30 (permalink)
    I only pan mono signals.
     
    As was said above, stereo is already panned and normally it's set.... don't mess with it. You end up losing a side. If you really need it panned, convert to mono and pan away.
     
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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/14 00:29:02 (permalink)
    Saw an interview with a producer that said he pans to the Audience perspective, but only after asking the drummer. It's not so important to the audience in general, but if it's going to mess with the drummers enjoyment of hearing their performance,  then go with the drummers perspective. Of course this doesn't matter so much if you are using BFD or something.
     
    For Piano with stereo width, if you were to se to one side of the stage or the other, would you not place the bass end nearer the centre, whether be audience perspective or not?

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/15 03:12:15 (permalink)
    Thanks for all the feedback.

    In my case, I'm recording the drums with only 4 mics, due to limited inputs. One for kick, one for snare and two overheads, left and right, all mono. So I'm panning the overheads hard left / right.

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/15 08:39:31 (permalink)
    Another thing to consider for your overhead mic set-up is that you have a number of options for mic placement or orientation of the two overheads.  Ultimately, the method of overhead mic’ing will come down to your recording space (i.e., the room), the style of music and how the drums sit in the mix.
     
    You should probably experiment with different set-ups to get a feel for the different results.
     
    - XY (coincident pair)
    - ORTF 
    - AB (spaced pair) 
    - MS (mid-side) 
    - Recorderman (1 mic overhead and 1 over the shoulder) 
    - Gly Johns (1 mic overhead and 1 mic place horizontal on the floor tom side directed at the hihat) 
     
    XY, ORTF, AB and MS all capture the room.  Recorderman uses a closer micing technique giving you a dryer sound.  You will have phase issues with ORTF, AB, Recorderman and Gly Johns.  MS requires a mic with a figure 8 pick-up pattern to capture the sides.
     
    My preference is an AB mic configuration.  I know I will have to deal with potential phase issues but there is a fair amount of flexibility in how you aim your mic’s and I find that when I pan the tracks hard left and right it gives me a slightly exaggerated sound stage.

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    Re: Stereo panning for piano and drums - how would you pan it ? 2014/05/15 14:16:17 (permalink)
    I hear this stuff about "from the drummer's perspective" or "from the audience perspective".....
     
    Well, in 99% of the cases where I was in a club listening to the band..... as a member of the audience, you are generally far enough back from the drum kit that the sounds appear to be coming from the same spot. At most, you might have a 5 to 10 degree angle (or less)  from one side of the kit to the other, so for all intents and purposes it is a mono sound.
     
    Seriously the only person in the room who hears the kit in stereo is the drummer because he is setting in the middle of it.
     
    As a mix engineer/producer, we have the ability to make the kit sound in full stereo. That's a creative decision. I like the kit centered and if it's stereo from the source, I don't attempt to pan it. I generally accept the stereo spread that the track has and let it roll from that perspective.  If it's too wide and wild, I convert to mono......needless to say I don't ever recall having to do that.

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