How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
I'm new to this and still stumbling around in X3. So my simple setup is to use a Line 6 HD500 to run the guitar into Sonar X3. I set up as using the HD500 for the in's and out's as well. I noticed that when I record tracks using the HD500 and go back into Sonar later (after the HD500 is no longer connected and I switched the drivers back to use my laptops soundcard) that all my tracks are blank. The tracks are still listed in the project, but there are no waves on the tracks (flat lined) and thus there is no sound. So my question is do I need to convert tracks I record using the HD500 (or any other DI) to another format in order to actually save them so I can play them without having the HD500 hooked up?
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Anderton
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 10:23:30
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There's no reason why the tracks shouldn't record unless something isn't enabled properly. Are you hooking up the HD500 via USB or recording its audio outputs?
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 11:17:33
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Using USB and the HD500 for the Recording in and Monitoring out. It records with no problem when I'm in my session and project.
The problem is that when I go back into that same project the next day without having the HD500 hooked up, the tracks are there, but the sound is flatlined in each track and thus no sound?
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 11:24:29
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You will need to go over your entire signal chain when you record and you need to make sure sonar ready your recorded signal. Gain staging and signal chains need to be set up correctly. This is why your wave form is a flat line!! There are no one setting fits all as each DAW will use different gian stages and signal chains according to each person using it and the equipment they use.
I also do not see anywhere where you said you saved the project before closing
Also, You are connecting the line 6 via USB and your laptop is getting confused with its sound card. Use the line outs of your line 6 and get a decent sound card for your laptop. Preferably a USB sound card, like Motu, M-audio or any of the other recommended sound cards.
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 11:43:18
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Gotcha. I assume that when I don't have the POD HD500 hooked up that my soundcard isn't recognizing the tracks I recorded using the POD HD500's soundcard. Am I on the right track? If so, I was wondering if I could take those tracks and bounce them to another track assigned to my laptops soundcard to preserve the tracks without having to hook up the POD HD500?
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 11:50:30
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Just like in your heart, when it is flat lined, its dead!! Your audio no longer lives. Its 6 feet under and turned to ash. Think of this thread as a eulogy for the audio you never recorded, but thought you did. If its flat lined, then bouncing wont do anything as you did not record an actual audio signal in SONAR. I assume that when I don't have the POD HD500 hooked up that my soundcard isn't recognizing the tracks I recorded using the POD HD500's soundcard. Am I on the right track? No... If you use the POD as your sound card, it always needs to be hooked up. this is why you use your P{ODs analog outs and then take those outs into a sound card (not your laptops sound card). You said the audio is flatlined, so there is no audio that you recorded. There is nothing you can do as there is nothing there. Check your signal chains and gain stages before you record again and make sure you are properly recording an audio signal. CJ
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 12:28:16
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Thanks. Yeah, I figured those tracks are dead now and realize they can't be recovered. I was just wondering if I when I'm working with it next time, if I should convert the tracks I record while I'm in the project with the HD500 to a standard WAV track or something in order to actually save them since I don't plan on buying another sound card.
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 12:41:40
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If I should convert the tracks I record while I'm in the project with the HD500 to a standard WAV track I dont not understand! There is no need to convert your recorded tracks to anything when they are in Sonar. Do some of the tutorials that are included in sonar. This will help you grasp how to record in Sonar. Once its in Sonar, its either a 32bit floating point wave file or a 24bit wave file, depending on how you set it up. If you click save, then the project is saved. sonar will not delete your tracks when you save it. Only you can delete your tracks. Your problem is not being able to record an audio track. Your problem is not saving. You just need to learn the signal chain and gain stages sop you can record. You need to record audio before you can save audio
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 12:49:20
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This is all very strange. If you successfully record an audio track, there is no reason for it to "disappear" You mentioned recording on a desktop, then moving the project to your laptop where the audio has flatlined… could it be that you are not moving the whole project to your laptop? How are you saving your project before moving it? If you don't save the audio with the project, the tracks will be there but the audio won't because it's still on your desktop.
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 14:49:03
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It sounds like you're using the Line 6 as a virtual amp. Simply record the output of the Line 6 into Sonar. It will be like putting a mic in front of an amp, but it will be line level rather than mic level. Forget the USB connection and get a decent sound card like CJ suggested.
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 16:51:04
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This one is a little confusing. Ok.. when you record a guitar track, can you play it back by pressing the play button in Sonar? We need to make sure that your audio is getting into the program first.
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 19:02:31
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It is not recommended to use any on board sound card with Sonar. But of course it will play back audio if your willing to do a bunch or re-configuration of your audio. If I disconnect my USB interface from my laptop, the wave files are all still there and they all look just fine, but, I would have to go into Sonars Audio preferences and change the whole shebang to my on boards MME driver etc , and change my master buss et before anything will play again. So I don't ever do this. Reason being, Sonar hates it and will cause me grief the next time I go to record using my proper ASIO interface.
Just leave the Line 6 hooked up. Sonar will be happy and you will have no problems, unless the line 6 has crappie asio drivers or whatever.
Before you record next time, make sure the tracks input is set to the line 6 and that the meters are showing a signal.
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 19:36:00
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Could it be possible that you are just arming for recording, not actually recording?
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 20:04:47
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Yeah, I don't know what I did, but it seems to be working now. I saved this time as a CWB file after using the POD HD500 as the record in and output. Then I pulled the USB, closed Sonar, reopend Sonar, changed my drivers to the laptop sound card, and now I can see/hear all my guitar tracks fine. I don't know if it was saving it as a CWB file or if I just did the right way this time, but we'll see. Thanks for all the input guys!
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/09 20:08:37
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It is not recommended to use any on board sound card with Sonar. But of course it will play back audio if your willing to do a bunch or re-configuration of your audio. If I disconnect my USB interface from my laptop, the wave files are all still there and they all look just fine, but, I would have to go into Sonars Audio preferences and change the whole shebang to my on boards MME driver etc , and change my master buss et before anything will play again. So I don't ever do this. Reason being, Sonar hates it and will cause me grief the next time I go to record using my proper ASIO interface.
Just leave the Line 6 hooked up. Sonar will be happy and you will have no problems, unless the line 6 has crappie asio drivers or whatever.
Before you record next time, make sure the tracks input is set to the line 6 and that the meters are showing a signal.
Thanks! I figured that's best as well. I tried the Eleven rack, HD500, and various plug-ins but keep coming back to the HD500 for ease of us and tons of free patches, and luckily it's a solid ASIO driver. I'll just leave it hooked up from now on, since that's the only reason I even use the HD500 (recording quick stuff). I'm slowly going to learn how to use this stuff properly.
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Re: How to Save Guitar Tracks after using a DI like Line 6 HD500?
2014/05/12 17:04:40
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Your HD500 is probably a better audio interface than your laptops built in audio interface, so you should keep on using the HD500 also after you have recorded.... As others here also mentioned, you should invest in a dedicated audio interface as soon as you have the opportunity. Now, in the beginning, the HD500 might be "good enough" for ya 
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