Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device

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2014/05/10 13:28:23 (permalink)

Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device

I've got an Alesis I/O 26 F'wire device that's having driver issues.  Since it's already 7 yrs. old it's support has been discontinued, let alone drivers being updated.  I've been getting frequent BSOD's lately, so I disconnected the device, and "unfortunately" the BSOD's stopped occurring.  I could send it to 1 of their authorized service dealers, but they're all the way across the country from me.  What I'm wondering is I might be able to kind of solve 2 problems at once.  I could test a wee bit further using the ASIO4ALL to see if I continue to get the BSOD's, and if I don't get them, then I could continue to use that until I can afford to get a new device.  
 
My next question is if I use ASIO4ALL do I need to use the Audio driver on my MOBO?  If that's the case, do I connect my keybd wrkstation OUTs to an analogue mixer, etc.?  Is that how it works?
 
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    byrdy60
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/10 13:37:25 (permalink)
    King
    You just route your audio interface to the phono input off your mixer that should be suffient. Hope the info helps

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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/10 13:52:16 (permalink)
    Tnx Byrdy60, but I'm not sure I follow.  I do have a Phono In on the Alesis, but I DON'T have that on my Allen-Heath, but I DO have a USB audio port on the AH... What to Do?  Also, as for MIDI, I'm assuming I would simply buy a traditional MIDI to USB, and plug that into 1 of the several USB's on the PC?

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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/10 14:15:46 (permalink)
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    Iam not familiar with your gear but usually the USB out on the back of your computer connects to a audio interface who's output then via phono leads go into the input on the mixing desk. That's what iam using at the moment with a asio4all driver. Mind you if your mixing desk has a usb port it might have a built in audio interface so that would mean routing from your pc directly into your mixers usb port. I hope the info helps if not you might need another opinion
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/10 16:46:40 (permalink)
    You have the latest drivers from here ? They are for W7 as per your signature. And they were updated 2010 so are not not from 7 years ago .........?
     
    Do you have a TI fire wire chip . If not, have you tried using the legacy fire-wire driver in W7 ?
     
    Do NOT use Asio for All thingy unless its really necessary (in your case it shouldn't be). Delete it if necessary if the above works
     
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/10 16:47:56 (permalink)
    Not totally sure I understand the situation, but a couple thoughts...
     
    • First you need to find out if the IO26 has a hardware issue or not. Check if there is a firmware update, but be aware that if a problem occurs during a firmware update (e.g., a bad cable, power goes out, etc.), the device could be rendered unuseable.
    • Try using WDM/KS drivers instead of ASIO. The performance can be more or less equivalent. If it works all the time, then that's one solution. You can continue using the interface as you always have.
    • Try ASIO4ALL. While it's a workaround and has been know to cause problems under some circumstances, it's probably worth a try.
     
    You kind of lost me with the last question. ASIO4ALL is simply a "universal" driver that makes Windows drivers look like ASIO. You should be able to use your interface as you always do, plug your keyboards or other instruments into it, record in to Sonar, and use its audio output to drive your audio monitoring system.
     
    Also, consider disabling the onboard sound chip as it can sometimes conflict with other drivers and interfaces.
     
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/17 22:44:21 (permalink)
    where can I get asio4all for win 8? the asio4all.com site seems to be no more.
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/18 00:00:11 (permalink)
    http://www.asio4all.com/   and just tried it, seems to be fine.
    Am using Firefox 29.0.1  Apparently the beta vs will work with Win 8.
     
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/18 02:23:55 (permalink)
    http://asio4all.en.lo4d.com/
    Hi spinedoc
    Try this link for your windows 8 asio4all driver
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/18 08:11:32 (permalink)
    http://www.asio4all.com/
     
    I just went to it.
     
    I would try out Craig's advice above, except I happen to disagree on disabling the on-board sound.  (I would only do that it there was a definite conflict, otherwise, my recommendation is to assign your on-board sound as the Windows Default Audio Device, and only let your music production programs get access to either your audio interface or ASIO4ALL - I also turn off all Windows sounds, but that is just a personal choice and not any requirement).
     
    Something to consider.  IF downloading the drivers from the link someone posted above don't work, and you decide your current audio interface really is toast, then I would suggest you consider picking up a basic but good audio interface, rather than using ASIO4ALL and buying a USB/midi adapter.
     
    My rationale for this is that a USB/midi adapter can run from a low of maybe $30 to $50 or more, while a good quality but not feature rich audio interface can start at only about $150-$200.
     
    A new basic audio interface would not have more than a couple of inputs (usually mic/instrument), with phantom power and some decent analog/digital converters, but would be FAR better at keeping resource load of your CPU down, since it would take on the task of doing the analog/digital conversion, rather than making your CPU do it. 
     
    In addition, the new audio interface would also have midi in and out/thru ports, so you would be covered there, too.
     
    So, the difference between the 2 options is something like $100 to maybe $150, and would give you years of MUCH better performance than the band aid approach of using ASIO4ALL and a USB/midi adapter.
     
    Again, all of the above would be best evaluated only AFTER determining that your current audio interface was actually beyond salvage.
     
    IF you end up going the ASIO4All route, then per the other poster's advice above, make SURE that you completely uninstall it once you ever get another audio interface, because it DEFINITELY can be problematic to have installed in the presence of another ASIO device.
     
    I looked at audio interfaces from Guitar Center (www.guitarcenter.com), and found one that I would suggest you consider.  It is a Presonus AudioBox USB 2x2, runs brand new at $119.99, and gives you decent mic pres and converters, midi ports, and has drivers available all the way up to Windows 8.
     
    Here is the direct link for that:
     
    http://www.guitarcenter.com/Presonus-AudioBox-USB-2X2-USB-Recording-System-104841978-i1388074.gc
     
    I also looked at other available interfaces in the $100-$200 range, but many did not have either drivers for Windows 8 or if they did then they were missing midi ports.
     
    I use the bigger brother Presonus AudioBox 1818 VSL audio interface, and have never had any issues whatsoever with it, and I am aware of others that are successfully using the smaller one I am suggesting you consider, so I have no reservations about recommending it to you.
     
    It's pretty hard to beat $120 for a brand new audio interface with the features of the Presonus AudioBox USB 2x2.  (from what I understand, the Focusrite pres may well be a bit better, but their $150 audio interface definitely does not have midi ports, though there is Windows 8 support for it).
     
    Good luck, 
     
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/21 13:19:19 (permalink)
    > My next question is if I use ASIO4ALL
    Just don't :)

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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/21 13:49:40 (permalink)
    Iam using a behringer asio4all 64 bit driver it complements my behringer audio interface I've had no problems iam getting a crisp crystal clear output as well with no dropouts. It pays to choose carefully!
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/21 14:24:54 (permalink)
    It's one thing to get sound from a interface, There is a lot more to it than that. Trust me, I've done all those dumb things in an attempt to make a Sound Blaster, and yes later on that little box with RCA in/out that Behringer shipped and called an interface work. ASIO 4 all might solve 1 in 10 peoples issues if absolutely no other solution is available.  
    Things that also go wrong and you might not even be aware it's happening is your timing sync. Latency is your number one enemy in an audio driver. 
     
     I strongly recommend you put the old device to one side and upgrade to a modern USB/Firewire interface. It is the quick and clean solution.
    Be very careful installing ASIO4 all it is not so easy to get rid of it.  

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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/22 05:20:55 (permalink)
    you do need to be technically-minded (i wouldn't expect my dad could install them correctly) but asio4all is definitely worth trying before spending money on something that may also have issues... 
    if asio4all doesn't work for you, just uninstall it - though it seems some people may have had issues with that, it has never been anything other than totally straightforward in my experience: i used asio4all with an Alesis Photon x25 (crap asio drivers, so just let win see a generic usb audio device, add asio4all and voila!) and a lappy for years, with great results, on XP32, XP64 and Win7/64, and now using it with the onboard realtek on an asus lappy with win7/64 - all happily alongside asio drivers for an edirol ua-1000 - the beauty of digital is you DO get stuff for free :-)
    and if you want get the most out of the older soundblasters (emu!), you need to use the kxproject drivers, as any fule no ;-)
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/22 06:47:23 (permalink)
    My first recording interface unit was an IO26.  I had various problems with it (and was using a T.I. Firewire chipset in the PC).  It wasn't causing the PC to crash, just flakey problems with what I assumed was the actual unit.  I replaced the IO26 with a Focusrite Saffire Pro 40 which is also a Firewire interface unit and all my problems that I had with the IO26 went away.
     
    Is the PC crashing just by connecting the IO26 to the PC, without starting Sonar or having other recording devices connected?  I doubt that ASIO4ALL will really help with this issue.  The purpose of ASIO4ALL is to make a device that does not have ASIO drivers look like it does to the PC.   Windows 7 uses the same sound drivers as Vista, so I don't think having an older driver is the issue.
     
    If you want to try reinstalling the driver that may help.  Suggest using a program uninstaller such as Revo Uninstaller to completely uninstall.  Physically disconnect the IO26 from the PC, restart the PC and then do a new install by first installing the IO26 software (driver) and only connecting the unit when the install program tells you.  Also, make sure you are using the "legacy" firewire driver in Windows.
     
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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/22 09:37:32 (permalink)
    In case this is at all helpful:  I have the original version of Alesis iO|2, and it's working fine, EXCEPT its driver doesn't work with 64 bit.  A couple of years ago I begged Alesis for an updated driver, and after some dancing around in their replies, they finally said the unit only had one driver ever released for it, and no update was available.  They also admitted the driver doesn't work in 64 bit.  Their official solution was to use ASIO4ALL.

    So, that's what I have set up, and having the two different drivers hasn't caused problems I'm aware of.  When I open Sonar 32 bit, iO is the driver that comes up.  When I open Sonar 64 bit, ASIO4ALL kicks in, and its the driver listed in the audio dialogue.  If, when Firefox is open, I open a stand alone version of something that needs audio, like the ARIA Player stand alone version, that's also when ASIO4ALL kicks in, because Firefox usurps the Alesis ASIO.  It's the same scenario if I open Sound Forge when Firefox is open.

    If I'm working in Sonar, using ASIO4ALL, naturally that's the interface that opens when I click in Sonar's audio dialogue to adjust the interface latency settings.

    For me, going back and forth between those two drivers, depending on the situation, has been pretty much seamless.

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    Re: Using ASIO4ALL for an ASIO Device 2014/05/22 10:48:07 (permalink)
    That's why I decided not to upgrade to a firewire interface, I've had no problems with my behringer uca 222 audio interface using asio4all 64 bit drivers the latency is great I've no timing issuses etc everything works mint no worries. Besides when your on a budget why splash out wade when its not needed!
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