Remove a song section - bus envelopes don't move!

I often want to remove, say, 8 bars from the middle of the song. Selecting Delete and subsequently Delete hole and Shift by whole measures works - except for bus envelopes. (Yes, I have the option Track/Bus Automation selected.)

This is driving me mad! It makes it such a labor to delete song sections while keeping bus automation in place.

Or am I missing something? I'm on S7.

I was also in trouble last night because of this weird behaviour of Sonar!
In details:

I ve got my 5 minutes long project!I decide that in lets say 2 minutes I wish a 8 barloop to be extended to be 16 bars!I select ALL tracks using the "select elnvelopes when selecting events" tool,I select the 8 bar loop and copy-paste it over the next 8 bars!The pop up window appears ,I select "slide over to make room".Perfect everything is in place:track events,track automation....but hey ,oh ,wait a minute why oh why the bus automation didnt move?????? Of course you can seperately move bus automations but ONLY if you havent already selected any normal tracks to go with them (buses)!

Its really frustrating to have half-implemented features....whats the use of "slide over to make room?" if it doesnt work for the WHOLE of the project including buses?
I believe I have seen already a request (from member Susan was it?) that bus tracks behave like normal tracks do,and I must say I agree 100% on this!!!!!!!


PLEASE MAKE BUSES SELECTABLE (LIKE NORMAL TRACKS) AND MAKE THEM BEHAVE LIKE NORMAL TRACKS

ORIGINAL: cyberzip


Exactly! The operation of cutting out few bars in the middle of a song can't be that unusual...

It's not. Song arrangement is not one of SONAR's strong suites at all IMO. I have taken to making sure I have the entire song structure worked out ahead of time before recording. It works for me but understand how it creates havok with other workflows. I wish buses worked like tracks in this respect as well.

Wicked - you're probably right. I'm remaining vocal. :)

It's so tedious to manually move all the bus automation (using the grid, counting measures etc...) when removing a song section. :P

Hi all, I know this is years late and all, but hopefully someone will find it useful. (Also, I'm doing this in Sonar X3, but I suspect it will work in older versions).
 
The problem is not the "cut special" to delete the hole, the problem is in the "select all". When you "select all", in highlights every track, but not the busses! So, you can many "Ctrl-click" the busses to add them to the tracks, then do the "cut special" and "delete hole" and the automation everywhere will shift correctly, even the busses.
 
Hope this helps,
Mark