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2014/05/28 20:50:45 (permalink)

New Hard Drive For Sonar

I'm not sure where to post this subject so I try here. I added a new 1TB SATA hard drive to my PC. I have a C drive, D drive and the new one I labeled S Drive. I need to find out how and what to move to the new drive. My PC is centered around Sonar and that's all I use this PC for. I'm not computer savvy so I'm asking for help in the forum. Thanks for your help in advance!

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/28 22:14:10 (permalink)
How much room do you currently have on your C: drive? http://www.wikihow.com/Check-Your-Hard-Disk-Space  If you have plenty of space, you really shouldn't move anything, but...
 
What is on your D: drive? Are C: and D: both physical drives?
 
If you have sample libraries , say something from Native Instruments/Garritan Personal Orchestra/Amplitube, those are good candidates (you would have to point in the program to the new location ( http://www.native-instruments.com/en/support/knowledge-base/show/500/can-i-move-my-native-instruments-software-or-libraries-to-another-location-on-my-computer/ )
 
All of you project files would conceptually go to D: if you used S: for moving samples. But a second backup copy wouldn't hurt on S: for redundancy's sake.
 
Bad idea to move any programs or the like to that drive.
 
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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/28 22:30:55 (permalink)
Thanks for the response hockey! I had just over half filled my C drive.  Now I have C  444 GB free / 15 GB D recovery drive /E DVD drive/ S drive I plan use use for storage. Just not sure what can and can't be moved to it. Thanks for the help!

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/28 23:13:23 (permalink)
tsk tsk Bill forgot our conversation already?
 
move your audio and projects folder to S so you have a separate path to read write audio and midi data
 
go to preferences
 
FILE
Folder Locations
move Project Files, Wave Files, and Video Files to S: Make new folders with the same names and MOVE not COPY the files existing in the current locations there
 
 
FILE
AAudio Data
 
move to S:\Cakewalk Projects\Audio Data
 
Picture Folder
 
move to S:\Cakewalk Projects\Picture Cache
 
 
 

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/28 23:19:45 (permalink)
I would not move ,,, but copy.you want at least 2 copies of everything on board. Then start directing your projects to the new drive. Then back up to an external as well. 

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/29 00:26:32 (permalink)
tsk tsk Bill forgot our conversation already?
 
By the time I got back to my PC I started but couldn't remember which files from the Folder Locations. I was going to move the project folders but figured I might as well check the forums just in case. You already helped me way more than I could ask so I didn't want to pester you with my complete and total ignorance. I did move the project files, audio, Picture Cache, and video. Everything is working fine! Thanks for the help 

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/29 00:35:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby bayoubill 2014/05/29 00:43:49
You're just asking for location headaches....I put everything on a 1000 Gig hard drive, (My C: Drive) and forget about it. Works great, no headaches. Do back up your drive. 
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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/29 08:01:47 (permalink)
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You're just asking for location headaches....I put everything on a 1000 Gig hard drive, (My C: Drive) and forget about it. Works great, no headaches. Do back up your drive. 




Really??
 
I havent had a single "location" problem.
 
My Programs reside on my OS C: Drive
My Audio and projects reside on my S: drive
My VST Libraries reside on my L: drive
 
Sonar reads and writes to the S drive, my VSTs pull their libraries from L, and it  chugs along just fine.
 
As long as you point to the proper paths it works, really.
Sure some programs(some vsts, for one) insist on putting files in certain unmovable locations , but fo rthe most part you can change pointer  paths.
 
I have had this setup for years and it sure is a housekeeping breeze plus performance gets a boost and all your eggs are not in one basket.
 
But hey, thats my experience.
 
I do agree with you about backups, especially with irreplaceable data , such as projects.A complete image of the OS drive  makes re install a lot easier for sure.

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/29 08:11:46 (permalink)
Yes really. I tried using multiple SSD hard drives, one for East West Libraries, one for Ivory II Libraries, one for Sonar....it was a major pain in the neck keeping everything working properly. Fresh installs were very difficult as programs had to be specifically directed to the right spot and still sometimes still wouldn't find the samples....Major pain in the neck. Now I have everything on my C:drive and everything runs smooth and no issues with any of the programs. 
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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/29 17:31:43 (permalink)
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Yes really. I tried using multiple SSD hard drives, one for East West Libraries, one for Ivory II Libraries, one for Sonar....it was a major pain in the neck keeping everything working properly. Fresh installs were very difficult as programs had to be specifically directed to the right spot and still sometimes still wouldn't find the samples....Major pain in the neck. Now I have everything on my C:drive and everything runs smooth and no issues with any of the programs. 


well don't know what your issue is but I have EW symphonic gold, Fab Four, Gypsy, and solo violin, and the browser goes right to the libraries ,,loads and plays fine.
now NI was cantankerous , but after running the rescan it shook out, now I see there is an NI app that searches for libraries and points everything in their right direction.
 
So like different snowflakes, no two users  experiences are the same.
 
 

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/30 09:21:27 (permalink)
I cannot see how having a dedicated sample drive, whether SSD or not, would cause most people to have problems with the programs finding the samples unless they were not installed correctly.
 
MOST people should (and likely are) be able to install samples onto a separate drive without the sampler having problems locating them.  the installation programs put registry entries in the OS registry telling the program where to look for the samples.
 
however, YMMV.  It may be dependant upon other factors in your system that we're not aware of, such as editing of the registry either manually or by an automatic registry cleaner which was not set up correctly causing deletion or modification of those entries needed by the program to find the correct location of the samples.  Or something completely different...

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/30 12:14:30 (permalink)
Worth mentioning because I'm not sure a lot of folks understand how it works. 
 
If your using per project folders like you should be, 
It don't matter where your project files are stored.  
I Keep some projects on C drive and most on my second E drive. 
There is the default path where Sonar goes when you go to the "open" dialog. 
You need to change this if you move your folders to a new drive or location or it will always return to the default. 
But you can browse to where ever you want and open. Until you close Sonar it will return to the place you were each time you use open. 
I think most importantly is the audio is streaming in and out of your fastest, cleanest drive. 
 
I sort of agree with Wayne, if your C drive is capable and you use your other drives for regular back ups you could get away with 1 big fast drive. 
I like to keep data separate in case C drive needs a re do.  

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/30 13:33:36 (permalink)
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I cannot see how having a dedicated sample drive, whether SSD or not, would cause most people to have problems with the programs finding the samples unless they were not installed correctly.
 
MOST people should (and likely are) be able to install samples onto a separate drive without the sampler having problems locating them.  the installation programs put registry entries in the OS registry telling the program where to look for the samples.
 
however, YMMV.  It may be dependant upon other factors in your system that we're not aware of, such as editing of the registry either manually or by an automatic registry cleaner which was not set up correctly causing deletion or modification of those entries needed by the program to find the correct location of the samples.  Or something completely different...


That's the problem, you have to be very careful on setting your samples and their programs just right. One wrong move and you'll have location issues that will drive you bonkers. I just find it easier to put everything on one drive and forget about it. Computers don't always act like they are supposed to. 
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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/30 15:16:33 (permalink)
Level of expertise comes to mind.  If you're more comfortable putting everything on one hard drive, then please do so.
 
there are benefits to using more than one drive beyond what has been mentioned, such as simultaneous read/write on different drives which wouldn't be possible on one drive.  the OS and the program (Sonar) will be reading/writing to 1 drive while the audio streaming during recording/playback would be occurring on the other drive if set up that way.
 
with one drive, all of the read/write tasks would have to be shared between the OS, Sonar and the audio stream.

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/30 19:33:15 (permalink)
Aside from performance benefits, having separate drives for data storage will also relieve your system drive of some of the workload to save wear & tear and reduce the chance of drive failure.

There's a further advantage too.  It's very convenient when to come to migrate computers if the data that needs be copied (or moved) across is stored separately rather than mixed with ephemeral stuff.

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Re: New Hard Drive For Sonar 2014/05/30 20:14:49 (permalink)
Just sharing my experience. No need to get insulting. I don't have any issues with everything being on one drive. If you want to use multiple drives, go right ahead. 
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